Young Catholics Causing Rebirth of Tridentine Mass

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Actually, the main point is that the Latin Mass isn’t going away.
 
Understanding a bit of Latin does not make a person better educated. It just means that they understand a few Latin words or phrases.
God speaks all languages, so there is no need for all to understand Latin to understand the Mass.
 
I feel your concern. But I see many young families in every Latin Mass parish I’ve visited, including my parish of record, which I joined even though it’s more than 50 miles away. I figure that’s supporting them even though I can’t assist every single weekend. I also see a throng in the courtyard after morning Mass, and the bookstore does a brisk business (very well stocked, too). I can’t speak for other parts of the country but in my state, it seems the TLM is thriving. Deo gratias!
 
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Why is it so important to you that Latin Masses are preserved?
As long as God is glorified, does the language matter?
As someone has already posted, God speaks all languages. Why should Catholics all over the world be forced to learn Latin?
I love hearing the Mass said in English each Sunday!
 
Wow, you’ve got me beat! God bless you and your family for your dedication.
Sunday is indeed for God. All day. And I think TLM devotees really get that.
Pax et Bonum!
 
This will be short because I have to get the kids but people like Jack are missing the point by trying to turn this into an argument about how God loves all languages, etc., in order to ‘appreciate’ a Latin Mass we’d be forced to ‘learn Latin’ to the level of it being as readily understood in every word as English (without even the help of a missal apparently). . .

And it is not about that at all.

The documents of Vatican 2 prove not that the Mass was ‘meant to be vernacular’ but in fact that most of the Mass was meant to be in Latin and the PEOPLE were supposed to be better educated on the parts THEY spoke.

And the reason for Latin is not to obfuscate but to present to God a UNITED and sacred front (“Church” Latin is no more equivalent to the ‘common Latin’ of the Empire than today’s slang is to a legal document couched in formal terms).

And it was never meant to be a quick and 'every word understood because it was so ‘honed down’ that it no longer really said what it meant.
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Yes. And if I ever travel out of the US to a non-English speaking country again the Tridentine Mass is the one that I’ll be attending, for obvious reasons.
No one here has insisted that anyone else must assist at the TLM. If they do, fine. If they don’t, who cares? Their loss. Shrug
 
Both are valid, yes. As is the OCSP Mass, Mass celebrated by Opus Dei priests, Mass celebrated by Legion of Christ priests, Mass celebrated according to the Eastern Rites, etc. etc.
 
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You misunderstand Church Slavonic, I think. SS C&M invented it, as well as the Cyrillic alphabet (thus the name) for the very purpose of being mutually intelligible to the various slavic tongues. to the extent that it’s still intelligible, there’s no more reason to change than to get rid of the older English of the Lord’s Prayer.
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Just few points: the language of Sts. Constantine and Methodius is called Old Church Slavonic; it was based on a Southern Slavic dialect spoken in that time around Thessaloniki with some Western Slavic influences which the language inherited during the saints’ mission to Great Moravia. This worked only because by the time of their mission, the entire Slavic area still spoke a single language; the language, known as Proto-Slavic, had only begun splitting into (still mutually intelligible) dialects from which the various Slavic languages would develop over the next few centuries.

Anyway, that language is dead as a door nail; no national church uses it today, and no one outside academia would know how to pronounce it correctly (and even modern Slavicists aren’t exactly sure what the language actually sounded like). The Church Slavonic of today, called New Church Slavonic if one wants to be precise, is not a single language; it exists in national variants called recensions and pretty much each Orthodox Slavic nation has their own: there is Russian Church Slavonic, which what Old Church Slavonic developed into in Russia, similarly, there is Ukrainian Church Slavonic, Rusyn Church Slavonic, Old Moscow Church Slavonic used by Old Believers, Croatian Church Slavonic, the extremely artificial and virtually unknown linguistic experiment called Czech Church Slavonic etc. These languages have different sound systems (based on the respective national languages), they differ in dictionary, orthography and in general aren’t mutually intelligible.
Also, the languages aren’t intelligible to speakers of the vernaculars without proper education.

So basically, each Slavic nation has, over time, developed their own liturgical “Latin”, with all the “disadvantages” that Latin is usually criticised for 🙂
 
“So basically, each Slavic nation has, over time, developed their own liturgical “Latin”, with all the “disadvantages” that Latin is usually criticised for 🙂”

Yep. And if the language police don’t like it, tough.
 
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Arbovirus said:
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babochka:
canon from the Council of Nicea that forbids kneeling in prayer on Sundays?
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Dumb question: what was perceived to be irreverent with kneeling?
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Canon 20 reads:
Since there are some who kneel on Sunday and during the season of Pentecost, this holy synod decrees that, so that the same observances may be maintained in every diocese, one should offer one’s prayers to the Lord standing.
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It is not a matter of reverence or lack thereof. In the East, kneeling is seen as a penitential gesture and it is not appropriate to do penance on Sundays.

This link can give you a bit more information. Should we Kneel on Sundays?
 
I’m happy to promote it in my work with Catholic students, too. And I’m kind of amazed by the number of Spanish speaking kids who assist at my TLM parish. Maybe not so surprising, though, as in youth ministry I’ve worked with bilingual kids who have gone on to Berkeley, UCLA, etc. They’re bright kids, very discerning and with a strong work ethic. They have the drive to succeed in the most challenging academics, too.
 
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As a Catholic schooled child we became quite familiar with Latin. We understood that the reason the Mass was celebrated in Latin was because Latin was considered a “dead” language, meaning that the words could not be altered to give any other meaning. The language was complete the way it was. I found that to be a wise way to fix that problem. Can’t change the meaning. I loved hearing the rhythm, we knew what was being said because our St.Joseph Daily Missal had the Mass presented in Latin and on the divided page English translated. I prefer the Mass offered in Latin but have no opportunity to attend one.
 
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Dumb question: what was perceived to be irreverent with kneeling?
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Originally, both East and West, kneeling was a strictly penitential position, where the position of respect was standing.

Kneeling on Sunday was/is prohibited on Sunday, the day of Resurrection, as it is a day for celebration, and not penance.

Move ahead several centuries to the Middle Ages, and men were kneeling and genuflecting to nobles and kings as a matter of respect. Accordingly, people began kneeling to the King of Kings, as surely he was due at least as much as any eastern king.

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It’s a lot better today. Only one page in my Missal. English, my native language.
 
If you love Latin, keep going to the Latin Mass. Just don’t disparage people’s desire to hear the Mass in their own language.
 
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