Young Earth Creationists vs Old Earth Creationists

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There IS a chronology of people from Adam to Jesus or whatever, but it’s been said that some generations were skipped over.
The six days of creation are not six 24 hour days. The ancient Jews never viewed it that way. They viewed is a “six God days.”

God is eternal. What is 1 day for God can be millions or billions of years for us.

Regardless, Adam was not created billions or millions of years ago. He was created thousands of years ago.
 
According to a Catholic Answers page, Catholics ARE allowed to believe in cosmological evolution, biological evolution, and human evolution.
 
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The six days of creation are not six 24 hour days. The ancient Jews never viewed it that way. They viewed is a “six God days.”

God is eternal. What is 1 day for God can be millions or billions of years for us.

Regardless, Adam was not created billions or millions of years ago. He was created thousands of years ago.
How do you know this?
 
First: I believe God created the heavens (the universe).
The scientists seem to think this happened about 15 billion years ago. I’m okay with that.
God created the earth. The scientists think between 4 and 5 billion years ago. I’m okay with that.

What about the Genesis account? Well:
“In the beginning God”.
Then: “And the earth was waste and void”. (In modern terms a chaotic wasteland). “And darkness was upon the face of the deep.” Any amount of time may have passed between 'the beginning" and whatever event laid waste to the earth. And I believe there must have been such an event because why would God create a wasteland shrouded in darkness?

The Genesis account shows God restoring order to a devastated world, then creating the first people.

Finally, I wish to point out that the Bible is a set of instructions for living in accordance with God’s will and for saving our souls. It is not a physics or biology textbook. It’s not meant to settle questions like “how long ago did God create the universe?”.
Regardless, Adam was not created billions or millions of years ago. He was created thousands of years ago.
How do you know this?
Scripture gives us a timeline from Adam to Christ. We know how long Adam lived on earth, how long Seth lived, how long each of the Patriarchs lived. If this information is not exact it does provide an approximate answer.
 
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Arguments for young Earth creatonisim

None

Arguments for old Earth creatonisim

Proven geological dates and times we know the earth is 4.5 billion year old via rock dating
  1. fossils that date back Mya
  2. genesis creation is highly alegorical
    The old testament has this in judges chapter 4 is historical account of a battle while chapter 5 is a poem
    If you use the Aramaic and hewbrew there is a lot of poetic and vague language in the creation story
  3. genesis being alegorical dates back to the Jews even origen belives that it was alegorical
 
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the Lutheran Church I’ve been going to lately says it’s between 6,000 and10,000 years old.
Yet another reason to stay away from these people Hope. You are a Catholic. They are filling your head full of confusion.
 
I’m interested to know how many Catholics here take the part in Genesis literally that adds up the earth as being 6,000 to 10,000 years old
Me. I didn’t always but it seems more and more likely the more I read Catholic books
 
Blimey! That’s mind boggling and something I never considered. Will have a good think about that one…
 
No it doesn’t compute. Weren’t Adam and eve just a day old when they were created even though all their bodily parts were of an adult?
 
Hope your last thread was kind of the same, are you coming home to the Catholic Church or thinking of it. Or are you asking due to a teaching of the church you are attending now.

It would help to know those details in answering.

I thought we had settles this in the other thread where we stated the Catholic position that

we can believe literally or we are not bound to agree literally with the first 11 chapters of Genesis. The Historical narrative in Genesis begins at Chapters of Abraham’s story.
 
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I don’t see a reason to dispute the scientific consensus of roughly 4.5 billion years for the earth or whatever it is now and 14 billion for the universe.
 
it might also be better to concentrate on the creation narrative itself and examine it in its original hebrew.

God created, God breathed life into a human.
 
The Catholic Church teaches that we should not take the Genesis as a literal science book. It’s main focus is to transmit that God basically created everything out of nothing.

I think the science so far, seems to indicate young creationist are wrong, so I am more inclined to agree with an older age of the Earth.
 
I left, came back. Left again. Now I’m just trying to find a church I’m certain will be a good fit.
 
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Can you tell me why you think this, despite all the evidence and scientists who are against it?
 
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I left, came back. Left again. Now I’m just trying to find a church I’m certain will be a good fit.
Can I ask you a question, is the answer to this question you have posed a few times, one of your sticking points on returning to the Church?
The Catholic Church has said we are free to take literally the first 11 chapters or not. So its really up to the individual to discern this. And I think that takes a lot of prayer. Is it a sticking point for you that the Church won’t say well of course the earth is 6K YO or of course the earth is 6 Billion YO?

I like this link in the Old and New Testament Hope, and it tells me something of the Creation story and the first 11 chapters without delving into the issue of how old my piece of zircon i picked up in Western Australia and ran through a dating process is.
Zircon from Western Australia is the oldest on earth according to dating techniques. And that indicates how old the earth is. We can’t have a zircon hanging around without the processes to make it. And the soil to embed it.
When they say Diamonds last forever, they really should be saying Zircons last forever.

So if we look at the New Testament and Jesus in the Gospels. Jesus says the only sign this generation will have is that of Jonah. This is in reply to unbelievers or doubters asking Jesus for signs.
The New Testament states that the people of Nineveh will be our judges alongside God. You know the story right, Jonah has to go and tell those in the corrupt city of Ninevah if they don’t repent , God will send down despair on them. The king of Ninevah repents immediately as do all his people and even livestock go into wearing sack cloth and weeping.
Jonah is angry about this and thinks God should be destroying NInevah as it is an enemy of the Israelites. And pagan practices abound in this city.

ok now the word for Jonah in Hebrew is Dove.
Go back further to the creation stories. We find Noah packing up the Ark because God is going to destroy every living thing on the earth except those on the Ark. After the storm quiets down and the rain stops (incidentally Jonah is thrown into the sea because a storm is threatening to destroy the boat he is on, a boat sailed by gentiles. Gentiles who believe in the power of the God of Jonah and are afraid this God will destroy their boat and them in the Storm threatening to Drown them. )

Noah sends out a dove , yes spelt the same as jonah in Biblical Hebrew, that finds no footing, no dry land, no safety, and has to return to the Ark, and Noah who is trusting in God to provide safe dry land. Compare this with Jonah running away from God and his mission and finding no footing and having to eventually return to God and his mission, after being spat out of the sea by a big fish.

Think about that. These are the exegetical issues we should be discerning in the first 11 chapters of the Bible, not man made arguments about the age of the earth.
 
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Yes, you make a good point @(name removed by moderator)

And I find it awesome that God breathed his very own breath into Adam to create life.
There is a great exegesis we could do on Breath and Adam and soul with the Biblical Hebrew words but that is for another thread 🙂 And of the second time God breathed on humankind
 
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