Your Everyday Novus Ordo?

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Actually, I will concede that this picture of the Mass isn’t as bad or tacky as it may seem. I don’t know what I was thinking last night when I posted this.

The only aberration I find here is the round altar. Poor or not poor, they should be able to afford a measly four-cornered table.

I guess the way they have their altar, the sacrificial aspects of the Mass seem really deemphasised. Like the Mass is exclusively a “table-fellowship-meal.”

Am I the only one with this impression?
 
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DominvsVobiscvm:
Now, compare that picture with this.

Which one looks Catholic to you?
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Both.
You see, the first pic I posted may not exactly contradict the Church’s specified rubrics, but its very nature sems so . . . unsacred.
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Know what I mean?
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It’s called lousy Architecture. I too wish the bare bones approach to our Sacred Spaces would be changed.
 
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Lorarose:
Who is taking pictures during mass? I thought this itself was an abuse?
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As long as the picture-taking isn’t disruptive (e.g., flashbulbs popping) and as long as the pictures are not intended to be used for bad purposes, taking pictures during Mass is all right.
 
So, DV, do you accept the Novus Ordo Mass as perfectly valid?
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Yes, most certainly!

I’ve also seen it clebrated very solemnly, both at Saint John Cantius Church in Chicago (where I was a Cantian postulant) and at Magdalen College (when I was a freshman).

I think this thread has caused some unncessary anger among my fellow posters.

I’d appreciate it if the mods delete it.
 
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Ham1:
Wow. Great point. :rolleyes:

Did you know that you are linking to a picture from a tiny little mission church in Poland. Look at the other pictures on the site. It’s pretty clear that they have NO MONEY. Mass is being held in a room that looks to be about 15X20. There are about 12 people in the congregation and two priests concelebrating. For all we know that could have been an extremely devout mass filled with holy people who have given much just to have a small Church.

Did one of your traditionalist friends send this to you? Or did you search the internet and find it all by yourself?

Real funny…making fun of some poor people in Poland in order to rip the mass…You’ve got a lot of class! 👍
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I wondered about that myself. How did you know it was a mission church in Poland? 😃

DV…you stinker you. It’s not nice to play games like that trying to mock the Mass of the Norm just because you don’t like it. You really need to stop hanging around with people who lack honesty son and try to contain your dislike of how the church is instead of your dreamt up version. I know your just 19 but you should know better. I must say, I am disappointed in this childish action you have engaged in.

dps-ltm.cz/
 
I have read this thread with great interest, as I have engaged this topic on numerous other message boards…

I don’t believe his original intention was to be picky or childish as to the ‘sacredness’ of the altar, but it does bring to mind that everyone who is Catholic has a definite idea of what they believe is sacred…

And to me, that is most interesting in and of itself.

For those of us who were raised in the Latin-Tridentine Mass, we mostly view the altar in the Novus Ordo as a ‘dumbing down’ of the sacred…and that is probably due to the fact that we are used to our surroundings…but then again, I know that is not the exact feelings of those who attend a Tridentine Mass…it is a perception, and nothing more.

For those of us who were raised in the Novus Ordo Mass, we have a lot of different takes on it, from being sacred in its own beautiful way, to being a more casual mass. Once again, it is due to our surroundings (and a good piece of it is due to how the priests conduct themselves.)

So before we go knocking others for their perspectives on the sacredness of the Mass, we need to kinda understand what might make them take that opinion, first…

Because it is hard to relate that on a message board, no matter how you try.

And, no, I don’t think the thread should be deleted. It is a good viewpoint from all perspectives on what we view as sacred in our own way.

Story
 
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Ham1:
Wow. Great point. :rolleyes:

Did you know that you are linking to a picture from a tiny little mission church in Poland. Look at the other pictures on the site. It’s pretty clear that they have NO MONEY. Mass is being held in a room that looks to be about 15X20. There are about 12 people in the congregation and two priests concelebrating. For all we know that could have been an extremely devout mass filled with holy people who have given much just to have a small Church.

Did one of your traditionalist friends send this to you? Or did you search the internet and find it all by yourself?

Real funny…making fun of some poor people in Poland in order to rip the mass…You’ve got a lot of class! 👍
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WoW! The other pictures from their links are gorgeous churchs.

Looks at these.

sweb.cz/rkf.dc.podmokly/En_001.htm

poutni.misto.cz/

duchcov.cz/cirkve/rk/

web.vilik.cz/farnost.jbc/

arcidekanstvi-lbc.rkc-lbc.cz/

volny.cz/peter.marusiak/fara/default.htm
 
!!!JAW DROP!!!

DominvsVobiscvm said:
Nothing Out of the Ordinary
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Compare THAT with…
Novus Ordo Watch:
Nothing out of the ordinary: Your Everyday Novus Ordo
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This one irrefutable, incontrovertible piece of evidence, my dear friends, clearly proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that DominvsVobiscvm is a hopeless and incorrigible schismatic!*
( :rolleyes: )

*Of course, if this fact is by some miracle proven incorrect, I will immediately remove this post and pretend it never existed.
 
Dominvs, if you believe that altar lacks the dignity or aesthetic value for the worthy celebration of the sacrifice of the Mass, why don’t you pull out your checkbook and fund the purchase of a new altar or start a committee of parishioners to accomplish same?
 
I was going to say that Novus Ordo Watch is a spurious source. One should not go to that site. The moderator would do well to delete the post that references it.
–Ann
 
Dominvs Vobiscvm,

Good post! The point is that, whether we like it or not, architecture and rubrics say something. The type of informal architecture shown in the church in Poland is obviously not restricted to poor churches. That type of architecture is all over the place in U.S. churches. Churches ought to help lift one’s mind and heart to God. They are to be a “catechism in stone.” When a church is built to lift one’s heart and mind to God, the focus is actually less on the individual priest himself, which is a good thing.

The same goes for facing away from the people. When a priest faces away from the people it helps signify that a sacrifice is being offered to God. The Priest and people are facing together towards God (otherwise there would be no reason for the priest to face away from the people). When the priest faces towards the people, his face, his gestures, become a primary focus, whether the priest wants this or not.

Thanks again for the post. God bless!
 
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pat:
Dominvs, if you believe that altar lacks the dignity or aesthetic value for the worthy celebration of the sacrifice of the Mass, why don’t you pull out your checkbook and fund the purchase of a new altar or start a committee of parishioners to accomplish same?
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I don’t know if DV spends much time in Poland at that small mission church to be able to start a committee. But it sounds like a nice check to support such a poor mission church would be in order for penance for DV. 👍
 
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Sparky:
I was going to say that Novus Ordo Watch is a spurious source. One should not go to that site. The moderator would do well to delete the post that references it.
–Ann
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That might be a good idea. It certainly lead DV down a wrong path.
 
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Sparky:
I was going to say that Novus Ordo Watch is a spurious source. One should not go to that site. The moderator would do well to delete the post that references it.
–Ann
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When I referred to the Novus Ordo Watch, it was purely in a tongue-in-cheek manner. I was simply taking the opportunity to poke a little bit of fun at the ridiculousness of both the organization itself and their common tactics. Sorry, I figured their claims were outlandish enough that it was safe to post a reference to them… :o
 
Wow, why are we attacking DV, he did bring up a valid point for discussion, it really seems like we are atacking him. He said before that he made a mistake with how harshly he posted about it, so lets drop it.

Ps. They should be able to get some kind of 4 cornered table even if they don’t have any money. Though I think it might have been a gift from a parishiner, because the lectern was the same style.
 
Tyler Smedley:
Wow, why are we attacking DV, he did bring up a valid point for discussion, it really seems like we are atacking him. He said before that he made a mistake with how harshly he posted about it, so lets drop it.

Ps. They should be able to get some kind of 4 cornered table even if they don’t have any money. Though I think it might have been a gift from a parishiner, because the lectern was the same style.
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DV is just being razzed as he tends to drop these things in every now and then to get a dig at the NO. One time he will say the NO is invalid and the next claim he doesn’t believe that really. He is young and we can appreciate that but his constant sneak attacks on the NO get a bit trying.

These pictures were in fact set up to the extremes to further his agenda or at least given his track record that is how it appears. The poor church is a small, very small mission church in Poland which he was trying to lead us to believe was a parish church here in the good old NO USA. Giving him the benefit is a worthy cause I suppose. We have done it quite a few times already.

But I agree, he has been razzed enough and the discussion of architectural sparseness in some churches in the USA is a worthy discussion. IF KEPT HONEST.
 
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