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How about the interesting collar on the cassock that the Fathers of the Oratory of St. Phillip Neri wear? A local priest was named to be the Procurator General of the Confederation of the Oratory of St. Phillip Neri (I think that’s the equivalent of Minister General of the Franciscans or the Superior General of most other orders? Br. JR help here?)

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Yes and No. He is the link between the houses, but he does not have the authority of a general superior, because the Oratorians are secular priests.

In a religious order or a religious congregation of men, the major superior is a true Ordinary equivalent to a bishop with the community as his diocese. He can grant faculties, suspend them, make assignments, accept men for vows or Holy Orders or both. He can also deny them. His word is final. Only a general chapter can outrank him. He alone controls all of the finances of the order or congregation. Of course, in large communities, there are men at the local level who do this. He is also the highest ranking formation director.

The Procurator General of the Oratorians does not have any of these powers, because he’s not an Ordinary. He’s more like a chairman who coordinates.

Their collar was very common in Italy. Observe the Redemptorist cassock has a similar collar, but it’s buttoned. I’ve always liked that collar.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Are there no examples of religious habits which look more like trousers and a shirt, even if antiquated in style and of obvious religious purpose? If the purpose of post-VII religious garb is simplicity and comfort–all that flowing fabric is contrary to the idea. Mowing or gardening or most other physical labor particularly if powered equipment is used render robes, capes, and cassocks a safety hazard. And would likely feel like working while wrapped in a quilt. Can’t even imaging doing office work as effectively: if I wear my trench coat when driving, I have to take care as I sit down or I pull the tail of the coat tightly beneath me so that the front of the coat pulls up into my Adam’s apple. A cassock or robe must have the same liability?
 
Are there no examples of religious habits which look more like trousers and a shirt, even if antiquated in style and of obvious religious purpose? If the purpose of post-VII religious garb is simplicity and comfort–all that flowing fabric is contrary to the idea. Mowing or gardening or most other physical labor particularly if powered equipment is used render robes, capes, and cassocks a safety hazard. And would likely feel like working while wrapped in a quilt. Can’t even imaging doing office work as effectively: if I wear my trench coat when driving, I have to take care as I sit down or I pull the tail of the coat tightly beneath me so that the front of the coat pulls up into my Adam’s apple. A cassock or robe must have the same liability?
We do not do yard work or any other work with power tools while in our habits. We change into work cloths for this.

Now I am speaking for my province in my order. Mainly we wear the habit when we are ministering. Some of us wear it to Mass and at times to school. Yes it is as you say. I have to make sure that I do not sit on my scapular (partly to show honor to Mary and functionally to not choke myself) and I must be careful on stairs. But I have no problem working in it. I taught High School. I learned quickly how to manage the habit. It took only one student to roll her chair onto my scapular while I was bend over assisting her for me to learn to control where it laid in the future. Being conscious of this is, for myself, a form of prayer. It reminds me of who I am and what I am doing. Every time I mange my habit in such a way is a moment that I thank God for my life, my vocation, and those that I am serving.
 
Are there no examples of religious habits which look more like trousers and a shirt, even if antiquated in style and of obvious religious purpose? If the purpose of post-VII religious garb is simplicity and comfort–all that flowing fabric is contrary to the idea.
That was only part of what Perfectae Caritatis and Vita Consecrata said. The two documents also point the religious communities to their roots and to look at our founders, their vision and the mission that they gave to the community. The habit certainly comes into play here. You cannot throw away the founder’s habit, if he or she gave you one. You can simplify it, but it must resemble the traditional one in some way.
Mowing or gardening or most other physical labor particularly if powered equipment is used render robes, capes, and cassocks a safety hazard. And would likely feel like working while wrapped in a quilt.
As Friar David said, many communities change into jeans and t-shirts to do manual labor. Also, one must remember that most religious do not do manual labor. Most of us work with our minds, more than with our hands. The closest the I come to manual labor is doing dishes. There are monastic communities that still do farming. They often have a work habit, which is designed with that form of work in mind.
Can’t even imaging doing office work as effectively:
First, one would not wear a mantle at the office. The mantle is an outer garment worn either for choir or for the cold weather. Franciscans wear it outside during winter. Dominicans and Carmelites wear it for choir. No one wears it at their desk. The habit is quite comfortable at the desk. It’s not different from any other garb. It’s just a long tunic with sleeves. If you’re a woman, you may have a veil, but that’s behind you. It doesn’t get in the way.
if I wear my trench coat when driving, I have to take care as I sit down or I pull the tail of the coat tightly beneath me so that the front of the coat pulls up into my Adam’s apple. A cassock or robe must have the same liability?
Not at all. A cassock is cut like a military jacket. In fact, that’s where the style came from. The habit of monks and mendicants are loose fitting tunics. They’re very wide, giving you plenty of leg room. The top is not snug. There is a collar that gives the appearance of being snug. But that collar is not attached to the tunic. It’s worn over the tunic, with a cowl attached. You’re not sitting on it. If you have a scapular, you pull that rear panel to the front so that you don’t sit on it… Driving , riding a bike, riding a horse, or even skateboarding is quite easy in a habit

Since men take longer strides, our habits are cut wider at the bottom. Circumference of a typical man’s habit is 120". The circumference of a typical woman’s habit is 90". Your feet are not confined. I drive a stick while wearing a habit, drinking juice and praying the rosary. Our sleeves, by regulation must cover the palm of your hands. Only your fingers are visible. Because they don’t have cuffs, they ride up when you drive.

The problem with the cassock, which is why many priests and brothers don’t wear it is that you have to wear clothing under it. In the summer it’s unbearably hot. Cassocks are just long coats. While a habit is an actual piece of clothing. You don’t wear a shirt, with a stiff collar over the shirt and then the cassock. The more expensive cassocks are lined, just like a suit jacket.

The same is true about a woman’s habit. Sisters who wear long skirts, don’ wear another layer of clothes under it. That is their dress. Why put another layer under it? Their hose are usually up to their knees. One can’t tell, because the skirt is long. The head is actually quite cool. They cut their hair very short and wear a cap over it, with a veil. It actually keeps the body temperature stable. When you’re inside or outside, your body temperature does not fluctuate too much as it would if you were wearing less clothing. For that reason, people in desert countries often wear a robe and some form of head covering.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
What do you mean “not the OFMs?”:eek:

I think that’s the best habit of all!
Sorry for not seeing this until now. The Order of the Friars Minor have a cool habit. But the Franciscan Brothers Minor are a completely different Community. I wrote “Not Order of the Friars Minor” so I could distinguish between the two. People always assume I am talking about the O.F.M.'s every time I mention the Franciscan Brothers Minor.
 
As Friar David said, many communities change into jeans and t-shirts to do manual labor. Also, one must remember that most religious do not do manual labor. Most of us work with our minds, more than with our hands. The closest the I come to manual labor is doing dishes. There are monastic communities that still do farming. They often have a work habit, which is designed with that form of work in mind.
In my limited experience, this is what I have seen. The Monks in OK where I went on retreat last summer wore a gray habit when they were working outdoors doing gardening, or on the farm, etc. I expect the gray is because a full solid black habit in Oklahoma in the summer, combined with cowl and scapular, etc. is just asking for trouble in the form of heat illness. Some others showed up for dinner in jeans as they had just come back for work.
 
In my limited experience, this is what I have seen. The Monks in OK where I went on retreat last summer wore a gray habit when they were working outdoors doing gardening, or on the farm, etc. I expect the gray is because a full solid black habit in Oklahoma in the summer, combined with cowl and scapular, etc. is just asking for trouble in the form of heat illness. Some others showed up for dinner in jeans as they had just come back for work.
The grey is practical. We wear grey all year long. Grey is good for warm and cool weather. It’s easy to wash, because it’s a neutral color. You can’t do much damage to it. If you wash a brown or black habit too often, it fades. A grey habit just becomes lighter grey, no big deal.

It’s the same thing with cloistered nuns. Some of them will take off the tunic and put on jeans for outdoor work, but keep the guimpe on. The guimpe actually protects them from the heat. Some will wear what’s called a duster. It looks like an apron, but it’s cut a little differently, because it forms an outer skirt and the top is like a vest that buttons in the back. This is usually much narrower than the flowing skit of a habit. It keeps the entire habit gathered and out of the way.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Now that I’ve derailed the thread from the original topic: wonder if there’s ever an occaision in St. Louis when I could take an energetic, nearly-four-year-old non-Catholic grandson to an event to see all the various and sundry habits and outfits of Religious, where he can ('thout being TOO, TOO disruptive), alternate between being bashful; and pointing to things to say, “What’s THAT, Paw Paw? Who’s THAT, PawPaw? Why, PawPaw”?
 
Now that I’ve derailed the thread from the original topic: wonder if there’s ever an occaision in St. Louis when I could take an energetic, nearly-four-year-old non-Catholic grandson to an event to see all the various and sundry habits and outfits of Religious, where he can ('thout being TOO, TOO disruptive), alternate between being bashful; and pointing to things to say, “What’s THAT, Paw Paw? Who’s THAT, PawPaw? Why, PawPaw”?
St. Louis, huh? That’s a tough one. If you’re ever in Washington, DC make sure that you take him to the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception for the Sunday mass and to The Catholic University of America during a class day. The University is like a little Vatican. You see all kinds of religious, male and female. There are about 25 religious houses of men that surround the university.

He’ll also like the lay students. They’re very nice. It’s a peaceful place. I went to school there from my first year of college until my Masters.

I’m thinking that places like shrines may would have a heavy traffic of religious. But you have to go on the right day.

Wish I could be more helpful.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Now that I’ve derailed the thread from the original topic: wonder if there’s ever an occaision in St. Louis when I could take an energetic, nearly-four-year-old non-Catholic grandson to an event to see all the various and sundry habits and outfits of Religious, where he can ('thout being TOO, TOO disruptive), alternate between being bashful; and pointing to things to say, “What’s THAT, Paw Paw? Who’s THAT, PawPaw? Why, PawPaw”?
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Best I can do.
 
I’ve been to that priory. It’s a beautiful choir. Not that I would want to pray in it, but it is beautiful. Franciscans don’t do choir, except for the Franciscans of the Immaculate. They have a special constitution.

But where in St. Louis would one find a good cross section of religious? I can’t think of anything that vaguely resembles a shrine that has a lot of traffic.

:hmmm:

I’m stuck.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
But where in St. Louis would one find a good cross section of religious? I can’t think of anything that vaguely resembles a shrine that has a lot of traffic.

:hmmm:

I’m stuck.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
I wouldn’t even know where to begin. I knew that the DHS was there and that there would certainly be people running around in habits, but as for a cross-section, I haven’t the foggiest. The Jesuits are next door to the Dominicans in St. Louis, or at least they used to be, but they obviously don’t wear habits.
 
Come another month or thereabouts, Our Lady of Snows will set up their annual Christmas displays. Lord willing, the weatherman is a a bit of a liar and we’ll get a little snow, enough to make the holiday pretty. In any case–the lights, the petting zoo, and of course, Santa Claus, will all be much too fascinating for grandson to take much notice of mere human beings, no matter how “different” their attire. On the other hand, two nuns in Wal-Mart last year had him verily awestruck after the fashion of the Little Rascals kids. Modern religious in their secular garb forget what a teaching moment habits were. Tad too early to be taking grandson to religious services yet, even if his un-churched and definitely non-Catholic Mom would allow it. He’d find a way to find a way up to the High Altar, probably right at the holiest part of Mass, to ask the Celebrant, “What’re you doing? What’s that?” Ah, the wonder and innocence of childhood. ANYHOW–back to photos of various and sundry religious habits.
 
Come another month or thereabouts, Our Lady of Snows will set up their annual Christmas displays. Lord willing, the weatherman is a a bit of a liar and we’ll get a little snow, enough to make the holiday pretty. In any case–the lights, the petting zoo, and of course, Santa Claus, will all be much too fascinating for grandson to take much notice of mere human beings, no matter how “different” their attire. On the other hand, two nuns in Wal-Mart last year had him verily awestruck after the fashion of the Little Rascals kids. Modern religious in their secular garb forget what a teaching moment habits were. Tad too early to be taking grandson to religious services yet, even if his un-churched and definitely non-Catholic Mom would allow it. He’d find a way to find a way up to the High Altar, probably right at the holiest part of Mass, to ask the Celebrant, “What’re you doing? What’s that?” Ah, the wonder and innocence of childhood. ANYHOW–back to photos of various and sundry religious habits.
You made me chuckle. I’m reminded of a day that I was at Walgreen’s in my habit. As you know, Franciscans wear a cord. A little tyke asked me, “Is this your leash?”

:rotfl:

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Franciscans of the Holy Land. The quintessential habit (IMO). 😃

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Those are Franciscans of the Leonine Union. The Franciscans of the Custody of the Holy Land have the Jerusalem cross embroidered in red on the left side of the caperone.

This particular habit is a very new version of the Franciscan habit. We believe that it may have been influenced by the Alcantaran Franciscans of Spain who wore a similar habit. If we look at the Discalced Carmelites, they were the same habit, with the caperone, short cowl, but they have a scapular. They were very influenced by St. Peter of Alcantara.

When pope Leo XIII united the many small communities of Franciscans that were in danger of extinction into one order, obedient to one superior general, there was a question about what habit to wear and what to call themselves, since each community had a version of the habit and a different name. The largest group was the Observants.

Today, the product of this union are called The Franciscans or the Observants. The habit is not the habit of the Observants. The Observant habit was grey. This habit most likely was that of the Alcantarans. It was practical, because the fabric was easy to find anywhere. Once upon a time, it was cheap. You could make one of these for lest than $20. Today, this habit costs over $200.00. The fabric is hard to find and costs close to $10 a yard, plus labor. It has to be very wide at the bottom. The circumference must be 120 in.

The cool thing about this habit, over that of my community, is that you can take the cowl off, because it’s attached to the caperone, not to the tunic. If it gets to hot, you can simplify.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Once upon a time, it was cheap. You could make one of these for lest than $20. Today, this habit costs over $200.00. The fabric is hard to find and costs close to $10 a yard, plus labor. It has to be very wide at the bottom. The circumference must be 120 in.
:eek: What on earth kind of fabric are they using?
 
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