Your impressions of the Jesuits

[SSPXwannaB]

google conservative Catholic, and you will find that it is a common term that is used by a good part of society. The term has been in use for some time (see Conservative Catholic Party of Switz, est. 1912 A.D.). Also conservative is a common adjective- it’s meaning would be readily understood by most Catholics. Thus I find your position disingenuous.

examples of the use of the term:

Conservative Catholic" vs. “Traditional Catholic”
The distiction between “conservative” and “traditional” Catholics is that the former accept what would have been considered “Modernist” or “liberal” at the time of the Second Vatican Council while the latter believe that the Second Vatican Council (“Vatican II”) produced deliberately ambiguous documents. The former accept the Novus Ordo Missae (the Mass promulgated after Vatican II) while the latter either reject it outright as being invalid or reject it as perhaps valid but nevertheless “Protestantized,” weak in doctrine, and dangerous to the faith of Catholics who attend.

“Japan Elects Catholic Conservative”

… views a wide range of issues from a conservative Catholic perspective. …

… research from an orthodox/conservative Catholic advocacy organization …

Conservative … term applied to a number of…Roman Catholic groups or movements. …

Opus Dei (a conservative Catholic sect)

I hang out at a conservative Catholic board

But she represented the conservative Catholic faction

… Samuel Alito, a 2006 George W. Bush appointee, a conservative Catholic

Ross Douthat is also a conservative Catholic

etc.

 

[SSPXwannaB]

as for social justice as practiced by [some] Jesuits- I side with true Catholics and the Vatican; :

Arrupe, former general of the Jesuits, was deposed by Pope John Paul II in 1981 because of dissatisfaction with the order’s direction. In part, the Jesuits were faulted for switching from making converts as the goal of missionary work to service and activism aimed at social justice.

 

[Michaelo]

In part, the Jesuits were faulted for switching from making converts as the goal of missionary work to service and activism aimed at social justice.

My Jesuit high school has taught me that conversion of non-believers can be achieved through “service and activism aimed at social justice,” so I don’t understand the distinction you attempt to make between the two.

 

[ncstevem]

Social Justice - code words for no longer Catholic

 

[Michaelo]

^Right, because you clearly have the authority to make ridiculous generalizations that determine who is and isn’t Catholic.

 

[WhollyRoamin]

google conservative Catholic, and you will find that it is a common term that is used by a good part of society. The term has been in use for some time (see Conservative Catholic Party of Switz, est. 1912 A.D.). Also conservative is a common adjective- it’s meaning would be readily understood by most Catholics. Thus I find your position disingenuous.

examples of the use of the term:

Conservative Catholic" vs. “Traditional Catholic”
The distiction between “conservative” and “traditional” Catholics is that the former accept what would have been considered “Modernist” or “liberal” at the time of the Second Vatican Council while the latter believe that the Second Vatican Council (“Vatican II”) produced deliberately ambiguous documents. The former accept the Novus Ordo Missae (the Mass promulgated after Vatican II) while the latter either reject it outright as being invalid or reject it as perhaps valid but nevertheless “Protestantized,” weak in doctrine, and dangerous to the faith of Catholics who attend.

“Japan Elects Catholic Conservative”

… views a wide range of issues from a conservative Catholic perspective. …

… research from an orthodox/conservative Catholic advocacy organization …

Conservative … term applied to a number of…Roman Catholic groups or movements. …

Opus Dei (a conservative Catholic sect)

I hang out at a conservative Catholic board

But she represented the conservative Catholic faction

… Samuel Alito, a 2006 George W. Bush appointee, a conservative Catholic

Ross Douthat is also a conservative Catholic

etc.

sigh

The differences between Opus Dei (collectively), Samuel Alito and Ross Douthat help my position, not yours. But nevermind. It’s beside the point.

You clearly already have your mind made up before you asked. So I’m finished with this thread.

 

[Lujack]

Social Justice - code words for no longer Catholic

I’ll make sure to let the religion teacher at my alma mater know that the annual social justice retreat to Camden where students do four days of service work is actually pagan. We’ll call off the Sunday Suppers for the homeless run by students from the Social Justice class. The next time we raise money to help build a “just society” by donating to various charities across the country, I’ll let the priests who run it know not to bother, because when they do it, they’re actually protestants. The required service hours for graduation? Heresy.

Thanks for the warning.

 

[Monica4316]

It does seem like the Jesuit orders are sometimes very liberal, but that doesn’t mean all Jesuits are for example, Fr. Peter J. Arnoudt was a Jesuit and he wrote a great book called “the Imitation of the Sacred Heart of Jesus”, which is published by TAN
However, he did live a while ago… maybe it’s only recently that the order has become liberalized?

…what about the Dominicans, are they conservative/traditional?

 

[Layman]

The Great Commandment is to “Love the Lord God with all your sould and all your might”. The Christian addendum is “… and love your neighbour as yourself”.

“Thou shalt love the Lord, thy God, with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”

My understanding is the the second *follows from *the first. My opinion is that any religious order that emphasises the second over the first is going astray.

Preach the gospel, say Mass, administer the sacraments then do social work. Otherwise, we are lost.

Pick any of the religious orders mentioned. Who was the last great saint they produced, and when? Was he fixated on ‘social justice’, whatever that is? That sounds like ‘charity with a political agenda’ to me.

 

[Michaelo]

My understanding is the the second *follows from *the first. My opinion is that any religious order that emphasises the second over the first is going astray.

Loving the Lord and social justice are not mutually exclusive.

Preach the gospel, say Mass, administer the sacraments then do social work. Otherwise, we are lost.

How does social work impede loving the Lord? Isn’t social work one of the greatest expressions of love for Him?

That sounds like ‘charity with a political agenda’ to me.

Well it’s unfortunate that you think so because it is not.

 

[Layman]

Loving the Lord and social justice are not mutually exclusive.

Didn’t say that.

How does social work impede loving the Lord? Isn’t social work one of the greatest expressions of love for Him?

If an order is focussing on social work ***at the expense of ***Divine worship, it has lost its way.

Well it’s unfortunate that you think so because it is not.

Then why not call it charity? Caritas.

Social justice. Justice in society. Seems like one of those phrases that can mean whatever you want it to mean. Seems to be at least one remove from caritas.

I think ‘social justice’ is part of the same spectrum as ‘liberation theology’; priests playing politics. That’s been a disaster for the Church in South America.

Our faith is in trouble; fewer vocations and many Catholics ignorant of basic doctrine. I think if bishops and leaders of religious orders focussed more on fostering sanctity we’d have more and holier priests and thus caritas would naturally flow from that.

God first; man second. If you are aligned with Christ, you are naturally charitable to those made in the image of God.

If you get mired in the affairs of this world, you will lose your way.

 

[Michaelo]

If an order is focussing on social work ***at the expense of ***Divine worship, it has lost its way.

Well I’m certainly grateful that my school hasn’t does that.

Then why not call it charity? Caritas.

I think the two can be used relatively interchangeably.

 

[nordskoven]

John Paul II had a disturbing dream while visiting America. He dreamed an old woman was trudging along a snowy street followed by a stray cat that she obviously befriended by sharing her scant food. She walked past the doors of the great Catholic churches while clerics watched her but did nothing to help. Particular mention was made by JP II of the Jesuit in his dream that stood idly at the door. The moral of the story if I may say is that to care for the church buildings cannot be construed as caring for the Church.

May the Jesuits harness those brawny brains to alleviate great poverty and suffering instead of redecorating. Write the grants. Man the programs. Care for those grand old ladies who upheld the Body of Christ in their youth, who ran the bake sales to pay for churches and schools and who many now consider expendable as having nothing more to exploit. God wills that the least shall be greatest. May we care for them as the Lord would, and may the Jesuits lead us in doing so.

Blessed Mother, may we see your face in the face of all women as you are “blessed among women.” May we especially care for the elderly women who show compassion for God’s creation. AMEN

 

[SSPXwannaB]

My Jesuit high school has taught me that conversion of non-believers can be achieved through “service and activism aimed at social justice,” so I don’t understand the distinction you attempt to make between the two.

Actually, the Vatican made the ‘distiction.’ Read the posting again.

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

My impression of the Jesuits? Well, in my Catholic high school they made a physical impression on me! It wasn’t until I was in graduate school and going to a university chapel that I met one who was what I considered moderate.

I consider them a very distinguished, teaching order. You would be honored to be accepted by them as a candidate.

 

[Michaelo]

Actually, the Vatican made the ‘distiction.’ Read the posting again.

The alleged distinction I referred to was that between “making converts” and “service and activism aimed at social justice” as the “goal of missionary work.” Your prior post did not explain this specific distinction.

 

[wcknight]

With more than 30 years with Jesuits, me and my 2 sons attended the same Jesuit HS, I would say they are very concerned with social justice and helping the poor. Education is very important to them, but teaching Charity and building “men for others” is one of their primary missions also.

They do a fantastic job all the way around.

 

[Lujack]

With more than 30 years with Jesuits, me and my 2 sons attended the same Jesuit HS, I would say they are very concerned with social justice and helping the poor. Education is very important to them, but teaching Charity and building “men for others” is one of their primary missions also.

They do a fantastic job all the way around.

Men for others! I didn’t go to a Jesuit high school, but my father did, and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard it. If any one phrase more perfectly encapsulates Christian charity, I don’t know of it.

 

[redrosetea]

If they are as good as Fr Mitch Pacwa, I would say they are very holy men

 

[manualman]

Making generalizations about Jesuits is as useful as making generalizations about Anglicans. Few apply.

Suffice it to say that there is the same civil war going on in the Jesuit order as there is in the larger catholic church. On the one side are those who believe in Sacred Tradition and Scripture as expressed in the Creed and expounded in the catechism. On the other are those who believe they’ve developed a “new and improved catholicism for the 21st century” that discards all that pesky stuff about sin, repentance, Grace and salvation in favor of “finding your inner self” and achieving peace in the world through working for justice. Those latter are nice states of affairs, but can’t happen without properly addressing the former issues.

And I can’t believe nobody has yet cited the greatest modern jesuit, the late Father John Hardon.