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Rau
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You’re right. We have gone way off topic…
Your message to homosexuals about their prospects for love and companionship
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on_the_hill
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I didn’t look at the site cited, but my guess is that caregivers may not otherwise consider themselves to be at risk.
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on_the_hill
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I read the link, womenshealth.gov/publications/our-publications/fact-sheet/lesbian-bisexual-health.html.
There’s very little causation demonstrated in the article. One cannot conclude that being a lesbian is in and of itself a risk. One can only conclude that certain behaviors (smoking) or characteristics (obesity) are risk factors, and women who are lesbians exhibit those in higher proportions than the general population.
Based on that webpage, one cannot reasonably tell a homosexual friend that she will put her physical health at greater risk if she has a lesbian relationship any more than one could reasonably tell a friend not to become a truck driver because truck drivers are more likely to be overweight and consequently suffer from heart disease.
There’s very little causation demonstrated in the article. One cannot conclude that being a lesbian is in and of itself a risk. One can only conclude that certain behaviors (smoking) or characteristics (obesity) are risk factors, and women who are lesbians exhibit those in higher proportions than the general population.
Based on that webpage, one cannot reasonably tell a homosexual friend that she will put her physical health at greater risk if she has a lesbian relationship any more than one could reasonably tell a friend not to become a truck driver because truck drivers are more likely to be overweight and consequently suffer from heart disease.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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Then perhaps this will clear things up:
medschool.vanderbilt.edu/lgbti/health/lesbians
Lesbians:
*Increased risk for breast cancer.
*increased risk for certain types of gynecological cancers.
*have higher rates of depression and anxiety compared to others.
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Bruised_Reed
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…because?
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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Same sex relationships are not natural.
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Rau
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Careful, you’ll find yourself arguing that nuns are taking risks of higher breast cancer…!
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on_the_hill
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[BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]
The question is whether or not lesbians have health risks because they’re lesbians.
Depression & anxiety are probably the result of discrimination.
The cancers, etc. are correlated with not experiencing pregnancy and childbirth, in that bearing children is accompanied with biological/hormonal/chemical changes that are believed to reduce the risk. I.e., lesbians are not usually biological mothers, therefore they do not benefit from those changes, therefore being a lesbian carries a cancer risk.
Do childless/celibate women also experience those cancers?
Regardless, my previous statement stands.
Flummery.
The question is whether or not lesbians have health risks because they’re lesbians.
Depression & anxiety are probably the result of discrimination.
The cancers, etc. are correlated with not experiencing pregnancy and childbirth, in that bearing children is accompanied with biological/hormonal/chemical changes that are believed to reduce the risk. I.e., lesbians are not usually biological mothers, therefore they do not benefit from those changes, therefore being a lesbian carries a cancer risk.
Do childless/celibate women also experience those cancers?
Regardless, my previous statement stands.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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Then you are still wrong.
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Rau
Guest
I think he’s right. You diminish your good posts by doggedly towing a line regardless of the facts.
A lesbian may be doing herself injury through a same sex sexual relationship, but not in the way medical authorities would understand it.
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Joie_de_Vivre
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Health risks correlated with lesbians.
Since the increased risk of breast cancer and (most) gynecological cancers is associated with not having children that logic suggests God is also punishing nuns for their unnatural behavior.
Same sex sexual relationships violate the natural law. Transgressing against the natural law does not necessarily mean there are temporal consequences and for people to desperately cling to the concept that there must be temporal punishment is a sign of weak faith.
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Brendan_64
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That is a distortion of Pope Francis’s position. The Pope was not talking about homosexual relationships, he was talking about homosexuals who seek the Lord, "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” Being homosexual and committing homosexual acts are not synonymous. Nobody is prevented from seeking the Lord, but all are responsible for the state of their souls.
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on_the_hill
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I’ve said it before, and will say it many times again. Just as so many other people do: Yes, God is love, only God judges, Jesus forgave tax collectors and prostitutes, etc.
Most people conveniently forget the other half of those statements, the half that gives people the responsibility to follow in Christ’s footsteps and obey God.
It’s not a free-for-all with no rules.
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Tigg
Guest
Isn’t it amazing that the human person, so weak and helpless without the grace of God, is yet so strong in idolizing the self? That homosexual *behavior * can mask its motivation so successfully that “love” becomes a distortion of the very nature of God!
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MacQ
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I don’t think it’s a distortion at all. The poster you replied to was also talking about people (not their activities).
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MacQ
Guest
I believe you are correct, and that some others have tried to use the medical health risks to justify their moral position. Upon finding that conflating those issues doesn’t work (because yes, it also applies to nuns), they’re kind of in a corner…
The medical health risks have to do with not experiencing suppressed ovulation (via pregnancy and breastfeeding, and also by using birth control pills) that amounts to a lifetime increased exposure to estrogen. Women with early menarche and late menopause are also at increased risk.
Bottom line: their health risks have nothing to do with morality, so anyone trying to use that argument against lesbians is up a tree.
Mark121359
Well-known member
Why is it, that whenever these threads come up here at CAF, that the same forum members seem to always defend this behavior in a covert sort of way , particularly with regards to lesbian sex? And it always appears to be suggested that this is somehow more safe or less dangerous than heterosexual sex. My question to you would be, do you ever once stop thinking like the world, and consider the tremendous danger that this behavior is to your soul? The spiritual carnage always seems to be pushed to the back burner on here. Sign of the times I guess.
Peace, Mark
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estesbob
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Heres the full quote:
“There’s a lot of talk about the gay lobby, but I’ve never seen it on the Vatican ID card.”
“When I meet a gay person, I have to distinguish between their being gay and being part of a lobby. If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them? They shouldn’t be marginalized.The tendency [to homosexuality] is not the problem … they’re our brothers.”
Here is what Squall said:
Obviously a gross distortion of what the Pope said.
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