your opinions on gays

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I thought that as a native San Franciscan I would add some comments about gays – believe me when I say, they’ve taken over the “town”. I don’t know if any of you have heard about the Folsom Street Fair – it was almost unbelievable, but the worst part was that the gays took the beautiful picture of the Lord’s Supper by Da Vinci and made a poster, mocking Jesus and the Apostles with all kinds of “sex” toys on the table. One of the sponsors was Miller Brewing Company, and I understand the Catholic League has started a boycott of the company.
One Sunday I went downtown on the street car and apparently there was something special going on for the “gays” that day – UGH!!! they were all over one another – I don’t like to see ANYONE act like that in public – to me, it should be a private matter.
 
BarbG said:
I thought that as a native San Franciscan I would add some comments about gays – believe me when I say, they’ve taken over the “town”. I don’t know if any of you have heard about the Folsom Street Fair – it was almost unbelievable, but the worst part was that the gays took the beautiful picture of the Lord’s Supper by Da Vinci and made a poster, mocking Jesus and the Apostles with all kinds of “sex” toys on the table. One of the sponsors was Miller Brewing Company, and I understand the Catholic League has started a boycott of the company.
One Sunday I went downtown on the street car and apparently there was something special going on for the “gays” that day – UGH!!! they were all over one another – I don’t like to see ANYONE act like that in public – to me, it should be a private matter.
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It’s amazing that they’re allowed to insult Christians.
 
estesbob said:
The Westborough Baptist Church is a strawman. The only members of the the church Fred Phelps and his immediate family .To call it a Christian church is ridiculous. The truth is most homosexual activists love Fred Phelps as they can always waive his behavior around like the Sword Excalibur and claim it proves all Christians are homophobic bigots.
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Actually thats not completly true.

While most of their “church” is made up of his immediate family, they do have members who are not related to the family.

I think that calling what Phelpsey and his brood preach and stand for anything other than stupidity is ridiculous. The sad thing is that his daughter is going to make an able replacement for him and the next generation are on their way.
 
Elric said:
There isnt an example of what exactly “normal” is.

Its more the assertions of “mental illness” that I object to, as well as the negative conotations behind “disordered”.
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I think I partly understand. Sometimes “mental illness” conjures images of an 1800’s madhouse. :eek: As I said in a previous post to someone else, I don’t think about SSA under the umbrella of “mental illness” in general parlance. Words can be powerful. I think sometimes the words used can control what concepts we can bring to bear on a topic. Certain wordings can lead a person to never think of a particular view of the topic. Maybe even words could affect the social experiences the person with the label might have. I think you are right to wonder about connotations and associations. Of course, truth ought not be obscured by choice of words, either.

I wonder if the concern is greater if the thing being labeled is felt to be a part of the person’s identity rather than an extra thing?

About “normal”, I don’t know. Perhaps it is like the impossibility of finding the average 2.5 child family. Yet, I do feel there is an example or direction or something in Jesus and the saints. But I’d hardly call Jesus “typical”. 😃
 
I’m in a 9 yr relationship , with my gf. And let me say we are very complete. I never said i was SSA. People need to get there stories straight here. Mary
 
tigster said:
I’m in a 9 yr relationship , with my gf. And let me say we are very complete. I never said i was SSA. People need to get there stories straight here. Mary
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I think you’re being confused with “Tiggerific” who posted in the early portions of the thread. Sorry for any mix-up.😊
 
Pug said:
I think I partly understand. Sometimes “mental illness” conjures images of an 1800’s madhouse. :eek:
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Even as recently as the 70’s & 80’s with practices like sterileizing patients and such.

For me, “mental illness” conjures images of struggleing to cope, difficultity of expression and misunderstanding.
As I said in a previous post to someone else, I don’t think about SSA under the umbrella of “mental illness” in general parlance. Words can be powerful. I think sometimes the words used can control what concepts we can bring to bear on a topic. Certain wordings can lead a person to never think of a particular view of the topic. Maybe even words could affect the social experiences the person with the label might have. I think you are right to wonder about connotations and associations. Of course, truth ought not be obscured by choice of words, either.
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That is very true, being overly paranoid about what people say wont really help and words/labels do affect social expeirences.

When I first returned to work after my “accident”, some of the other workers started several rumours about me including one where I had broken out of a near by mental asylum. That particular rumour was stupid because the asylums in our state had been closed down for around ten years. It did hurt and was made more painful when management chose to do nothing about such things when it was brought to their attention (other than try to make things worse).
I wonder if the concern is greater if the thing being labeled is felt to be a part of the person’s identity rather than an extra thing?
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I would think so, I think that having something like SSA or a mental illness would make up part of your identity. But then again if it is an unwanted part, then they wouldnt agree that it is part of their identity.
About “normal”, I don’t know. Perhaps it is like the impossibility of finding the average 2.5 child family. Yet, I do feel there is an example or direction or something in Jesus and the saints. But I’d hardly call Jesus “typical”. 😃
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LoL, that is certainly one label that you couldnt place on him.
 
Newbie2 said:
You’re for what?

Spread of AIDS, other infections, other medical conditions?

Forcing acceptance of the “gay lifestyle” on everyone?

Accepting gay persons for who they are and not what they do?

Specifics?
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The same conditions heterosexuals spread?
 
I have no problem with SSA since some of our friends are in serious relationships with their significant other and seem very happy.But that being said, shouldn’t they be held to the same rules in the Catholic church as we who are single? I mean celebacy for example and having to go to confession to absolve their sins?
I think it all goes way too far with what happened in San Francisco. Couldn’t the archbishop just have given them a blessing instead of the Eucharist.Couldn’t the AB have stood up and said I know who you are since he said he knew of the SOPI and had seen their pictures before hand and said I’ll give you a blessing for now until you go to confession or this matter is discussed in private with the pastor or AB?
There’s so much in the press about equal rights for gays, but I think the Catholic church should hold them accountable to the doctrine and cathechism of the church just like us heterosexual single people since sex is supposed to be for married couples to procrate only.
How can they expect us to respect them when they were haveing homosexual sex on the streets of San Francisco and were mostly naked.What happened to public decency. My ex urinated in public and was arrested for public exposure.Several of the pix of the Folsum Street fair showed open oral and manual sex in the streets with children in full view of what they were doing? I know this is just one place and once a year, but how can the Catholic church rent out the halls for cross dressing shows and the bingo with passing out of sex toys and tapes on church grounds? Not just once, but this has been going on for years at the MHR church with the churches blessing.
It’s so sad and uncalled for. They must give respect to get respect and public decency laws apply to all of us. We single heterosexual singles would be thrown in jail and out of the Catholic church if we acted this way.
 
dale(name removed by moderator) said:
I have no problem with SSA since some of our friends are in serious relationships with their significant other and seem very happy.But that being said, shouldn’t they be held to the same rules in the Catholic church as we who are single? I mean celebacy for example and having to go to confession to absolve their sins?
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Are your friends Catholic?

Certainly anyone who chooses to affiliate themselves with a particular organization, knowing up front the standards of that organization, should expect to be held to the standards of that organization. This includes those who were raised in the organization and choose to continue the affiliation as adults.

There are two different issues here----holding those who choose to affiliate themselves with the Catholic Church to the standards of that Church and attempting to hold everyone to those standards whether they are affiliated with that Church or not (and in fact may have deliberately chosen to disaffiliate themselves from it).

It’s the difference between whether a person who is divorced is allowed to remarry or not. Certainly the Church is perfectly within its rights to say that anyone who is divorced who chooses to affiliate with the Catholic Church should be willing to follow its teachings that divorced people may not remarry and to deny them its sacramental marriage rites. It is not within its rights to demand that the government refuse to allow such people a civil marriage on the grounds that the Church disapproves. It is not within its rights to attempt to require any other religious group to deny the couple a religious marriage based on their own standards on the grounds that the Catholic Church teaches that it is wrong to do so. It, like any other group, may attempt to persuade others to its viewpoint, but not demand compliance.

Societal norms do change (always have). Whether a particular religious group chooses to change with them is their decision and whether a person chooses to affiliate with a particular group and be bound by their rules is also their decision.
 
Let history confirm the ban on gay marriages. Whenever it was sanctioned that country fell and collasped from within. Check the sad history of all such cultures,
 
jailbelle said:
Let history confirm the ban on gay marriages. Whenever it was sanctioned that country fell and collasped from within. Check the sad history of all such cultures,
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Would be helpful to your point if you could provide a listing of the specific cultures you mean.
 
I, by no means, support homosexual acts but I don’t treat people differently who do. My best friend is gay and he is one of the most wonderful people I have met! He’s caring, compassionate and an amazing friend. He knows that I feel that homosexual acts are a sin but he also knows that I don’t judge him based on my beliefs.
 
Elric said:
For me, “mental illness” conjures images of struggleing to cope, difficultity of expression and misunderstanding.
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Perhaps it is also isolating.
When I first returned to work after my “accident”, some of the other workers started several rumours about me including one where I had broken out of a near by mental asylum. That particular rumour was stupid because the asylums in our state had been closed down for around ten years. It did hurt and was made more painful when management chose to do nothing about such things when it was brought to their attention (other than try to make things worse).
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What an unpleasant experience. 😦 Rumors seem to be a particularly memorable type of experience for people. Perhaps it is betrayal of some sort.
I would think so, I think that having something like SSA or a mental illness would make up part of your identity. But then again if it is an unwanted part, then they wouldnt agree that it is part of their identity.
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I used to suffer from major depression. When the therapist would suggest certain behavior changes, especially those that I had in response to anger, I would retort, “If I did that then I wouldn’t be me.” It was like the suggested change was a denial of myself. Now it seems more like I felt it was a betrayal of the inner logic of my anger. Oh, bunk. I don’t know. Never talk with me for too long or the holes in my rational exterior will start to show. 😃
 
Pug said:
Perhaps it is also isolating.
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Yes, there are a lot of things it can be.
What an unpleasant experience. 😦 Rumors seem to be a particularly memorable type of experience for people. Perhaps it is betrayal of some sort.
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Possibly, there was hurt over people not understanding (or choosing not to). The best was when the company decided to put me in a position that even their “specialist” advised against doing.

There is a lot of fear with regard to mental illness.
I used to suffer from major depression. When the therapist would suggest certain behavior changes, especially those that I had in response to anger, I would retort, “If I did that then I wouldn’t be me.” It was like the suggested change was a denial of myself. Now it seems more like I felt it was a betrayal of the inner logic of my anger. Oh, bunk. I don’t know. Never talk with me for too long or the holes in my rational exterior will start to show. 😃
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That makes sense.
 
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