your opinions on gays

[Fitswimmer]

Are you daring to say that people who have a homosexual orientation are otherwise the exact same as people who have a heterosexual orientation? That the only difference is the orientation of our attraction? That’s just crazy talk!

Btw…I think (I hope) that “prevailing opinion” may be an overstatement.

Of course it varies by person (no matter what your orientation), so I can’t answer as a comparison to you particularly. But, in general? The same amount of time.

I hope I’m wrong about that prevailing part too-but it does seem whenever the topic comes up about SSA or homosexuality,there are at least a few voices raised that give that impression.
I’ve always written it off to the fact that people don’t think that they know any homosexuals and think that ALL homosexuals are like the people they see on the news coverage of the gay pride parade. Even the non-Catholic homosexuals I know don’t act like that!!

 

[goofyjim]

I hope I’m wrong about that prevailing part too-but it does seem whenever the topic comes up about SSA or homosexuality,there are at least a few voices raised that give that impression.
I’ve always written it off to the fact that people don’t think that they know any homosexuals and think that ALL homosexuals are like the people they see on the news coverage of the gay pride parade. Even the non-Catholic homosexuals I know don’t act like that!!

Yes indeed there are more of us than people will ever know. It’s just that we are represented by a small minority.

 

[rlg94086]

I hope I’m wrong about that prevailing part too-but it does seem whenever the topic comes up about SSA or homosexuality,there are at least a few voices raised that give that impression.
I’ve always written it off to the fact that people don’t think that they know any homosexuals and think that ALL homosexuals are like the people they see on the news coverage of the gay pride parade. Even the non-Catholic homosexuals I know don’t act like that!!

I concur. I have had coworkers and friends who are “practicing” homosexuals, and they are mostly the same as my heterosexually oriented friends. I can only think of one coworker who could basically be described as a slut.

I haven’t met any Catholics who identify themselves as a homosexual, although there may be someone in my parish or in a past parish who is? If they are doing their best to live a chaste life, I’m not sure how I would know - unless it came up in conversation.

 

[FishMonger]

Yes indeed there are more of us than people will ever know. It’s just that we are represented by a small minority.

I suspect most people would be very surprised by how many gays they deal with on a daily basis. There is really no way to tell if someone is gay or straight in most social interaction.

 

[rlg94086]

I suspect most people would be very surprised by how many gays they deal with on a daily basis. There is really no way to tell if someone is gay or straight in most social interaction.

That’s why I advocate everyone wearing a pin identifying their sexual orientation. Something like “yes, I’m gay!” or “Hetero and loving it!” Some gay people started this with rainbow stickers and the yellow equals sign stickers. We just need a good heterosexual equivalent.

(for those that don’t know, means I am being sarcastic…IOW…I don’t mean it. Please laugh, rather than get angry. )

 

[goofyjim]

That’s why I advocate everyone wearing a pin identifying their sexual orientation. Something like “yes, I’m gay!” or “Hetero and loving it!” Some gay people started this with rainbow stickers and the yellow equals sign stickers. We just need a good heterosexual equivalent.

(for those that don’t know, means I am being sarcastic…IOW…I don’t mean it. Please laugh, rather than get angry. )

Reminds me of a question posed to me by another gay person trying to help me. What if every gay person suddenly was green? Would I stop going on with life? No way, Jose.

 

[rlg94086]

Reminds me of a question posed to me by another gay person trying to help me. What if every gay person suddenly was green? Would I stop going on with life? No way, Jose.

“It’s not easy being green.” - Kermit the Frog (I think he was straight though…although he had that whole inter-species thing going…yuck!)

 

[goofyjim]

“It’s not easy being green.” - Kermit the Frog (I think he was straight though…although he had that whole inter-species thing going…yuck!)

Do you mean Miss Piggy? He had nothing for her. She wanted him. Who was yuckier?

 

[rlg94086]

Do you mean Miss Piggy? He had nothing for her. She wanted him. Who was yuckier?

A valid point! I think he did succomb to her advances at some point, but that would be taking us way off topic.

Suffice to say…he was a very loving frog, and there is little evidence that he lusted a lot.

 

[goofyjim]

A valid point! I think he did succomb to her advances at some point, but that would be taking us way off topic.

Suffice to say…he was a very loving frog, and there is little evidence that he lusted a lot.

As for going off topic we have done that by “leaps” and bounds, haven’t we?

 

[rlg94086]

As for going off topic we have done that by “leaps” and bounds, haven’t we?

Indeed.

 

[Bennie_P]

I have a very low opinion of Gacey. Same with heterosexual Ted Bundy.

Though Ted Bundy was a hetersexual, which all start out that way by physical attribution, he was still a sexual deviant. The question about homosexuality and what needs to be determined, is homsexual beahvoir disorderd? or normal?

Most serial killers have some sort of sexual deviancy or disorder related to their beahvoir. That is not saying that becuase one is homosexual in their behavoir they will be serial killers or violent. But it does present a question one might ask, if one is prone to any deviant sexual behavoir how much control do they have to restrain themselves from continuing to go further or deeper into more dangerous deviant and/or disorderd behavoir? That is why we fear drug addicts and alcohol abusers, for they seem to let go of any self control inorder to feed their desires, and with sexual deviancy we have seem to have a similar effect. We have seen an alarming rise in addiction to pornography with it’s easy availability on the internet and we are also seeing many men being arrested for possession of child pornography, sometimes we hear the reports after a man was arrested for child molestation and they found child pornography on thier computer, but we are finding alot of arrest being made of men that haven’t actually crossed the line of actual molestation except for the possession of the child porn. But society still fears those men, for we feel they were caught before they went to far.

As to serial killers it appears that those that engage in homosexual behavoir seem to be way more over represented per capita, but that would seem really normal for in reality those that appear to be hetersexual serial killers are deviant in thier sexual behavoir also. So the question is how far down do we allow society’s morality standard go, oh I forgot with homosexuality there is not a standard of morality.:doh2: For in the past the standard society relied upon was the Judea-Christian standard of morality and Judea-Christian morality says that homosexuality is immoral and disorderd. So inorder to accept homosexuality as normal sexual behavoir we must throw away the only standard of morality society has ever known and used, which means we throw out any and all standards of morality.

Given that less than 2% of adults are homosexuals (plus 1 to 2% who are bisexual), there would not need to be very many homosexuals among the total number of serial killers for them to be over-represented. But with such small overall numbers, and with no universally agreed upon definition of a homosexual, it would be impossible to determine the relative frequency of homosexuals among serial killers. Unlike gender and race (clearly ascertainable), there are no physical or genetic tests for sexual orientation. It can only be determined by behavior and self-identification.
Some serial killers engaged in sex with both males and females, which would prompt some people to classify them as bisexuals. Their actual identity would then be argued about by various biologists, gay writers, and others, who would classify their status as a variant of homosexuality, a distinct classification, or repressed homosexuals. Such hair-splitting is well beyond the scope of this paper. Suffice it say, all of the individuals listed here as “homosexual serial killers” can be classified as homosexual as the term is generally used.
Homosexual serial killers have most frequently chosen young boys or gay men as their victims, although some have victimized females as well. Most of the killers have raped their victims either before or after killing them, although in some cases they have killed after consensual homosexual sex. There have been heterosexual serial killers who have targeted gay victims (e.g., Colin Ireland), but this is very rare. But more importantly, none of the serial killers listed here represent typical homosexuals, who, like the general population, are almost never involved in violent crime.
The list of Serial Killers

When we throw away morality we open up the doors for the worst in society.

 

[KarenNC]

Though Ted Bundy was a hetersexual, which all start out that way by physical attribution, he was still a sexual deviant. The question about homosexuality and what needs to be determined, is homsexual beahvoir disorderd? or normal?

Most serial killers have some sort of sexual deviancy or disorder related to their beahvoir. That is not saying that becuase one is homosexual in their behavoir they will be serial killers or violent. But it does present a question one might ask, if one is prone to any deviant sexual behavoir how much control do they have to restrain themselves from continuing to go further or deeper into more dangerous deviant and/or disorderd behavoir? That is why we fear drug addicts and alcohol abusers, for they seem to let go of any self control inorder to feed their desires, and with sexual deviancy we have seem to have a similar effect. We have seen an alarming rise in addiction to pornography with it’s easy availability on the internet and we are also seeing many men being arrested for possession of child pornography, sometimes we hear the reports after a man was arrested for child molestation and they found child pornography on thier computer, but we are finding alot of arrest being made of men that haven’t actually crossed the line of actual molestation except for the possession of the child porn. But society still fears those men, for we feel they were caught before they went to far.

As to serial killers it appears that those that engage in homosexual behavoir seem to be way more over represented per capita, but that would seem really normal for in reality those that appear to be hetersexual serial killers are deviant in thier sexual behavoir also. So the question is how far down do we allow society’s morality standard go, oh I forgot with homosexuality there is not a standard of morality.:doh2: For in the past the standard society relied upon was the Judea-Christian standard of morality and Judea-Christian morality says that homosexuality is immoral and disorderd. So inorder to accept homosexuality as normal sexual behavoir we must throw away the only standard of morality society has ever known and used, which means we throw out any and all standards of morality.

When we throw away morality we open up the doors for the worst in society.

Bennie, this is absolutely absurd. There are homosexual people with very high moral standards just as there are heterosexual people with high moral standards. There are both homosexual and heterosexual people with no discernable moral standards. This is regardless of religious affiliation.

Societies who do not follow either a Jewish or Christian concept of behavior have and continue to be able to operate morally. Just like every Jewish and Christian society, those societies have also had those who operate outside of any system of morality, either due to inclination or mental illness

Rape is not about sexual attraction, it is about power.

ywcaofmissoula.org/documents/assault_menandrape.pdf
“Male rapists who rape men are heterosexual in 98% of the cases.”
“Sexual abuse is not an act of sex, passion or desire; it is a crime of violence.”

 

[Bennie_P]

Bennie, this is absolutely absurd. Rape is not about sexual attraction, it is about power.

Societies who do not follow either a Jewish or Christian concept of behavior have and continue to be able to operate morally. Just like every Jewish and Christian society, those societies have also had those who operate outside of any system of morality, either due to inclination or mental illness

“Male rapists who rape men are heterosexual in 98% of the cases.”
“Sexual abuse is not an act of sex, passion or desire; it is a crime of violence.”

All humans are hetersexual by physical nature, it is only by volunteerly commiting homosexual acts which makes one a homosexual person. So if a Man rapes another man, or a male child it is in fact a homosexual act.

That is the problem with this “orientation” thing, you assuming that homosexuality is something a person is born with, when in fact it is a choice, though somtimes or perhaps there are factors unknown or, not fully understood that influence that choice, it is always a choice to act out sexually.

Most of the world until recently, adopted Judea-Christian morality as it standard. Please give me an example of a modern society that has not been influenced by Judea-Christian morality - during this post-colonial period of history.

Anyway, my point in the post was suggesting the idea that the more we reject our previously held moral standard on sexuality the more evil and violent our society may become.

 

[johnstown_johnn]

Very well described, Bennie P. Thank you!

 

[estesbob]

All humans are hetersexual by physical nature, it is only by volunteerly commiting homosexual acts which makes one a homosexual person. So if a Man rapes another man, or a male child it is in fact a homosexual act.

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Of course it is. A homosexual rights community as has been deftly Kaunda changed definitions to show them in a kinder light, thus even though over 90% of the molestations in homosexual priests scandal was homosexual rape of postpubescent boys we were told it was a pediophile priest problem. KarenNC s comment about homosexual rape really being heterosexual rape is nonsense.

 

[FishMonger]

Though Ted Bundy was a hetersexual, which all start out that way by physical attribution, he was still a sexual deviant. The question about homosexuality and what needs to be determined, is homsexual beahvoir disorderd? or normal?

Most serial killers have some sort of sexual deviancy or disorder related to their beahvoir. That is not saying that becuase one is homosexual in their behavoir they will be serial killers or violent. But it does present a question one might ask, if one is prone to any deviant sexual behavoir how much control do they have to restrain themselves from continuing to go further or deeper into more dangerous deviant and/or disorderd behavoir? That is why we fear drug addicts and alcohol abusers, for they seem to let go of any self control inorder to feed their desires, and with sexual deviancy we have seem to have a similar effect. We have seen an alarming rise in addiction to pornography with it’s easy availability on the internet and we are also seeing many men being arrested for possession of child pornography, sometimes we hear the reports after a man was arrested for child molestation and they found child pornography on thier computer, but we are finding alot of arrest being made of men that haven’t actually crossed the line of actual molestation except for the possession of the child porn. But society still fears those men, for we feel they were caught before they went to far.

As to serial killers it appears that those that engage in homosexual behavoir seem to be way more over represented per capita, but that would seem really normal for in reality those that appear to be hetersexual serial killers are deviant in thier sexual behavoir also. So the question is how far down do we allow society’s morality standard go, oh I forgot with homosexuality there is not a standard of morality.:doh2: For in the past the standard society relied upon was the Judea-Christian standard of morality and Judea-Christian morality says that homosexuality is immoral and disorderd. So inorder to accept homosexuality as normal sexual behavoir we must throw away the only standard of morality society has ever known and used, which means we throw out any and all standards of morality.

When we throw away morality we open up the doors for the worst in society.

That’s very interesting. Is the use of artificial birth control disordered behavior? Should we be watching all those people who use ABC in case they are latent serial killers? Should we suspect their lack of sexual impulse control? How about all the Catholics who use birth control? Sexual impulse control problems? Are they engaging in disordered bhavior? Should we watch them, too?

In fact, it appears that the majority of Catholic couples have accepted ABC as normal behavior. If you are correct about disordered behavior and Judeo-Christian standards, then it appears homosexuality if far down on the list of dangers since the use of ABC already shows that we have thrown out any and all standards of morality. Catholic couples alone who use ABC far outnumber the gays. Add in everyone else who uses ABC, and the gays fade into insignificance.

The doors you mention have been thrown wide open by the people, both Catholic and non-Catholic, who use ABC. Feel that refreshing breeze?

 

[FishMonger]

All humans are hetersexual by physical nature, it is only by volunteerly commiting homosexual acts which makes one a homosexual person. So if a Man rapes another man, or a male child it is in fact a homosexual act.

That is the problem with this “orientation” thing, you assuming that homosexuality is something a person is born with, when in fact it is a choice, though somtimes or perhaps there are factors unknown or, not fully understood that influence that choice, it is always a choice to act out sexually.

Most of the world until recently, adopted Judea-Christian morality as it standard. Please give me an example of a modern society that has not been influenced by Judea-Christian morality - during this post-colonial period of history.

Anyway, my point in the post was suggesting the idea that the more we reject our previously held moral standard on sexuality the more evil and violent our society may become.

I’d say most of the world didn’t know anything about Judeo-Christian standards until recently. Why do you say it was a world standard until recently?

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Neither at the right nor at the left. It is like saying: “neither cold nor hot.” What did the Lord say of those who are neither cold not hot?

:banghead: (I could say some really uncharitable things right here)

No, it’s more like say away from the cafeteria in the first place!

Follow the Church’s teachings whole and entire, without compromise, period.

You want to know what the Church’s position on homosexuality is? How about reading the Catechism for the teaching and then look at her actions: ever heard of Courage?

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Nonetheless, I am very sure you are a man. For the Lord God created only two kinds of human beings: MAN and WOMAN. You could be like Jesus Christ. He was not a homosexual and not a heterosexual either.

:bigyikes: What!?