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martin_hca
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“your opinions on gays”
Same as my opinion of the Easter Bunny and Martians.
Same as my opinion of the Easter Bunny and Martians.
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pathia
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Uh…no…that is not what I am saying, I don’t know how to make it any clearer.
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pathia
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They’ve been linked to in this thread long ago.Plenty of studies? But you conveniently leave out the sources of these studies, and I warn you…I can disemminate a study to analyze it…so state your claim.
You have no charity in your heart. None at all for anyone that suffers from SSA. That is becoming very obvious. I don’t know how I can point it out to you when you choose to not see it. The fact you harped at me about the status of my genitals and continued to press after I asked for it to stop in another thread only speaks more to this, you wouldn’t leave me alone and I have a verifiable medical condition. I can’t imagine what would happen if someone entrusted you with knowing they suffered from SSA. I pray for you to be more patient then.
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Elric
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Genitic based makes a lot more sense than people simply deciding that they are gay or learning to be gay (learn it from where?) or that it is phycological based.
As I stated before, I think that neurological based would be more accurate than genetic based (although they are both sometimes put under the broad umbrella of genetics). But I dont think that what pathia stated could be taken in any way as what you suggest.
It is something that for the most part (remembering that there are exceptions to the rule) gay people dont get a choice in, many would rather not be gay but cant choose how their brain functions.
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rlg94086
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You don’t believe they exist?Or, do you believe they are fuzzy and leave you sweets?
Or, do you believe they are little green men that are “going to incinerate you?”
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Exalt
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I’m fuzzy…
Or, do you believe they are fuzzy and leave you sweets?
Or, do you believe they are little green men that are “going to incinerate you?”
AND I’m going to incinerate you! Muahaha!
Just kidding.
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Exalt
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#Twin_studiesPlenty of studies? But you conveniently leave out the sources of these studies, and I warn you…I can disemminate a study to analyze it…so state your claim.
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agangbern
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You can say that a million times, pathia, that I have no charity in my heart. It is okay with me if it is the best way for you to escape responsibility of your claim, which is the immediate and current issue at hand. It is better to say it that way than keep on saying, “I don’t know how to make it any clearer.” If one cannot make anything clear, then it is better to keep silent about it.
It is not charitable to jump to another unrelated post when asked of a specific question about a specific post, specially when that unrelated post arose of one’s own doing. You were the one who spoke about yourself. I just asked questions related to your own revelations. When you wanted to beg off, I stopped. And now by mentioning it at this point, do you want it discussed again?
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rlg94086
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I would prefer it if you leave some chocolate instead. Will it make a difference if I get the Earth moved, so it is not obstructing your view of Venus?
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pathia
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Please stop harassing me. Stop contacting me, please stop. I know it is you on Yahoo, please stop it.
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agangbern
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“Gay people don’t get a choice.” That is a nice way to become irresponsible of oneself. Make oneself appear NO FREEDOM, NO WILL POWER. What else? Less of a person? Lesser than God’s original design for man? They are simply bringing themselves further down.
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agangbern
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Be assured, Pathia, I never communicated here with anyone through my Yahoo. If I did so, that would defeat the purpose of my being unknown here in CAF.
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martin_hca
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There is some guy at the mall who puts on a red suit and fake beard and calls himself Santa.
I don’t think he is.
I don’t think it has ever been proven that he is Santa, despite the movie, so I will continue believing that he is not Santa until it is.
That and “a gay.” I’ve never seen one of those either.
Lots of people who engage in sex with their own gender, but I’ve yet to see proof that they are “a gay.” Would someone who cheats on their spouse be “an adulterer?”
I don’t understand why some insist on labeling people or themselves for that matter. Seems dangerous to me.
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rlg94086
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Ah…yes, we did discuss the ontological issues not too long ago in the thread. You are correct in that “a gay” is no different than a “non-gay” - or as I quoted before - “‘homo-sexuality’ doesn’t exist in its own right. Nor is there really any such thing as ‘hetero-sexuality.’ All that really exists is sexuality: the call of men and women to love in the image of God either through marriage or in celibacy. Any other desire or attraction (whether geared toward the same or opposite sex) is a privation, a lack, of this good.” (reference in post #824)
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agangbern
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Of this point,we have similar idea, rlg!, except that a man’s natural desire for the opposite sex is not necessarily a lack of good.
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Alisa
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Tiggerific, my sympathies are with you as you try to live your life as a gay Catholic. Two members of my extended family are in the same boat, and these are individuals I’ve known since they were born, so I have come to the conclusion that homosexuality is inborn (nature rather than nurture). These people have three siblings who are “straight”. As I watch them struggle with all the issues I’m sure you’re struggling with – church and societal issues, I’m hoping “somebody” in science will come up with proof that gay people don’t “just pick” that lifestyle. Just expecting gay people to live celibate lives from cradle to grave doesn’t seem really reasonable nor fair. I believe I’ve heard recently that almost a fifth of the population falls more toward the gay side of the spectrum.
I know more legalistic Catholics will probably jump all over this post with quotes from the Bible and warnings about “hell,” but these are my honest feelings based on what I’ve seen in my family and outside it.
Best of luck to you –
Alisa
I know more legalistic Catholics will probably jump all over this post with quotes from the Bible and warnings about “hell,” but these are my honest feelings based on what I’ve seen in my family and outside it.
Best of luck to you –
Alisa
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Pier
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According to the Word of God, all unmarried people are expected to live celibate lives from cradle to grave, with no exceptions or exemptions.
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martin_hca
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Why not:
…, my sympathies are with you as you try to live your life as a **lustfull **Catholic. Two members of my extended family are in the same boat, and these are individuals I’ve known since they were born, so I have come to the conclusion that **promiscuity **is inborn (nature rather than nurture).
…, my sympathies are with you as you try to live your life as a **fat **Catholic. Two members of my extended family are in the same boat, and these are individuals I’ve known since they were born, so I have come to the conclusion that **gluttony **is inborn (nature rather than nurture).
…, my sympathies are with you as you try to live your life as a **selfish **Catholic. Two members of my extended family are in the same boat, and these are individuals I’ve known since they were born, so I have come to the conclusion that **greed **is inborn (nature rather than nurture).
…, my sympathies are with you as you try to live your life as a **lazy **Catholic. Two members of my extended family are in the same boat, and these are individuals I’ve known since they were born, so I have come to the conclusion that **sloth **is inborn (nature rather than nurture).
…, my sympathies are with you as you try to live your life as a **sadistic **Catholic. Two members of my extended family are in the same boat, and these are individuals I’ve known since they were born, so I have come to the conclusion that **rage **is inborn (nature rather than nurture).
Etc… etc…
Alisa, in a sincere spirit of understanding, please help me understand why I should consider it appropriate to apply this logic to one group of people, but not others?
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guanophore
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If you were to take a class in basic human sexuality, it would become clear to you that there are a great many sexual conditions that are genetic, including the predisposition to attraction. It is a well known fact that personality dispositions are influenced by genetics.
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goofyjim
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Some people will just never understand what those of us with SSA go through. We are laughed at by the gay community for not coming out and then ridiculed by the Church as though we have control over who we find attractive even though we are living chastity. I give up with both sides and continue living my life as I see fit. The behavior is chosen. The attraction is not. No amount of therapy will work to change the attraction and it is not a prerequisite for entrance into heaven.
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