your opinions on gays

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Since when does something have to be sinful in order to be cured? It is good to fix/cure a disorder. As far as “having” to…that is a different question. My brother’s birth defect doesn’t have to be fixed. He opted for some of the surgeries/corrections, but not all of them.
I agree with you. I struggle with SSA and if there is a way to fix it, I believe that its a good thing. The more “right” we are, the more we reflect God’s divine order and the more likely we are to achieve holiness.
 
I wouldn’t put it on par with cancer. SSA would be more like an impairment - a birth defect (if SSA is found to be genetic). We correct those all the time. If someone is near-sighted, for example, they can possibly get it corrected with a laser treatment. Who wants to go around near-sighted because it’s “natural” and “the way God made me?”
Is it a defect?
Now, there is risk involved in any of those fixes, and I could see someone not wanting to take the risk of getting their SSA repaired if the possible side-effects were not worth it.
Does it need to be fixed?
Again, I will use my brother as an example. He had his feet straightened several times when he was growing up, so he could walk like everyone else. Doctors also offered to straighten his wrists when he was a teenager (they are bent similar to someone with palsy), but if they did it his wrists would be fused. That would mean he would lose most of the freedom of movement he had. The straightening was more for aesthetics - so he could shake hands like everyone else. He said, “forget it! If they don’t want to shake my hand as it is, who needs them!” 👍
You brother sounds like a good and practicle person, I wish him all the best.
So, I could see someone faced with the possibility of a fix for their SSA reacting the same way.
The question still remains, do they need to be “fixed”?
That is just ridiculous. None of those things are impairments/birth defects.
Actually its not as ridiculous as you think (which is unfortunate and scarey). They were/still are considered “impairments” by some, Pele used to have to bleach his skin to play football and represent his country.

It begs the question, who decides what is defined as an “impairment/defect”?
 
I honestly believe that homsexuals suffer from some sort of mental disorder that mainstream psychology doesn’t acknowledge.
Perhaps they dont acknowlege it as a mental disorder because it isnt a mental disorder.

Wouldnt that make sense?
After all, homosexuality is objectively disordered.
Even if we assume that is true, that still wouldnt make it a mental disorder.
Also, homosexual acts are grave sins. Therefore, I am against homosexuality. However, we should treat homosexuals with kindness just as we would anyone with any other mental disorder.
being a grave sin does not make it a mental disorder. Dont forget that picking up sticks/collecting fire wood on a Saturday was/is a grave sin, that was punishable by death.
That does not mean giving homosexuals special rights.
That is a bit of a contradiction.
 
Hi Valke2,

“Objectively disordered” means the “object” of desire is not properly “ordered” - IOW…a man’s unitive desire for marital love should be directed towards a woman and vice versa. So, “objectively” is used as an adjective to describe how it is disordered…not the severity or certainty.

I hope that helps.
Thanks. so it is disordered in that the objective of the love is not the opposite sex?
 
Can a homosexual sex act be an expression of love?

What criteria are you using?
Of course. I don’t think anyone here would say homosexuals cannot experience love for each other. And the physical expression of that love, the way to share intimacy between the couple, is through a homosexual act.
 
Is it a defect?
If it is a genetic trait, then yes, I would call it a defect. That wouldn’t make someone any “less human”, less important, etc., but I think it is pretty easy to see from a biological, evolutionary and Natural Law perspective that it is a defect.
Does it need to be fixed?
Need? That would be best left up to the person. Does near-sightedness need to be fixed? Keep in mind though, that the other probable outcome of genetic proof would be the eradication of homosexuality through abortion. No matter how much liberals say they love and accept homosexuals, they will be the first to abort a baby who was screened and found to be one. Ironically, it is a committed Catholic who would not, although they would instruct their child in Church teaching…which means chastity.
Actually its not as ridiculous as you think (which is unfortunate and scarey). They were/still are considered “impairments” by some, Pele used to have to bleach his skin to play football and represent his country.

It begs the question, who decides what is defined as an “impairment/defect”?
Sociologically, you are correct that racism has occurred, but from a biological standpoint there is nothing impaired about race.
 
To all,

I know this thread will be closed down shortly, and I want to thank everyone for their thoughts. You may have noticed that Gingerfish (the OP) didn’t hang around to hear any of the opinions. 😛 However, I know I learned a lot from the interchange, and I’m glad it remained civil.

Of course, we don’t all agree, but hopefully we better understand the various viewpoints. God bless. 👍
 
To all,

I know this thread will be closed down shortly, and I want to thank everyone for their thoughts. You may have noticed that Gingerfish (the OP) didn’t hang around to hear any of the opinions. 😛 However, I know I learned a lot from the interchange, and I’m glad it remained civil.

Of course, we don’t all agree, but hopefully we better understand the various viewpoints. God bless. 👍
Perhaps starting a “part 2” of this thread might be an idea?
 
Having known several gay people over the years, I think it’s how they are “wired.” I don’t think they can help their SSA. What they can help is whether they choose to act on their SSA, or decide instead to live a life of chastity since they are not called to married life. I think they have a special cross to bear in this life, and deserve our compassion, not judgment.
I agree 100% and it’s relieving to see someone post on here with this type of attitude. I’ve been fairly discouraged and saddened by how severe some posters have been towards homosexuals…sin is sin…it almost seems that the sins of a homosexual somehow ‘trump’ the sins of others in some people’s opinion.

Praying for someone who struggles with sin is the greatest gift we can offer…treating them as if they are of more discpicable than any other sinner is only going to alienate them from God.

Perhaps if I was born gay I’d be capable of reversing my preference to hetero with God’s help. But, as a straight male, I know I’d have much difficulty reversing my preference to homo, I don’t think I could do it, so I’d probably choose celibacy.

I don’t know if I’m worthy of Heaven, so who am I to judge whether they are or not? Only God reserves the right to judge us by our sins, and as much as God hates sin, he extends his love and compassion to all of us and understands the burdens we all carry.
 
Having known several gay people over the years, I think it’s how they are “wired.” I don’t think they can help their SSA. What they can help is whether they choose to act on their SSA, or decide instead to live a life of chastity since they are not called to married life. I think they have a special cross to bear in this life, and deserve our compassion, not judgment.
That sums up my feelings exactly! And, I figure, I should just be grateful I don’t have that particular cross.
 
If we are cocerned about the cross one has to bear for being gay, as I believe many of us are, we can help lighten his or her burden by ensuring that they are treated as we would wish to be treated, and making sure they have all the civil rights that a heterosexual couple has. Wouldn’t that go a long way toward easing their “burden”? Instead of focusing on what many view as the sin, wouldn’t it make sense to do whatever is necessary to welcome them into our communty(s) so that the destructive effects of the sin are minimized?

It seems to me that when we focus on seperating ourselves and elevating ourselves at the expense of others, we are only demeaning ourselves in the end.
 
Having exceeded 1,000 posts, I offer thanks to all who participated; this thread is now closed.

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