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Your right…I have a few years on you and remember very well. I’m not arguing with anyone about it. I won’t go there. I’m not good at it. But I will defend a reverent Novus Ordo Mass. I’m not defending the carnival atmosphere that has become part of the Mass in some parishes. My parish has a reverent Novus Ordo Mass with Latin and chant. But they do shake hands.
And so do we. From my vantage point in the choir loft, I could always tell when we had visitors. As a cathedral parish we have a reverent NO with Latin and chant. But it is unseemly to see people going out of their way to shake hands or embrace others much less trying to cross the main aisle. The “killer” is seeing those visitors trying to grab hands for the Pater Noster and the sad, pathetic show of raising their hands in the wave at the “for the kingdom” when no one else in the cathedral is doing it.

I can count on one hand the number of parishes in my diocese where the carnival atmosphere does not exist. Certainly not my local geographic parish which just got a new pastor - who just happened to be rector of my cathedral parish 25 years ago. I will be interested to see what Fr. does in the coming months.
 
Correct, it’s optional if the priest chooses. Most parishes choose to at Mass, and once the priest says “Let us now offer each other the sign of peace”, it’s part of the rubrics and not optional anymore.

However, since the Swine Flu became newsworthy, our parish has temporarily discontinued this practice. I have a question, though, are people disobedient when the priest does not invite us to do so yet many still turn around and get a few quick handshakes in before continuing the mass?

What do you think Sr. Sally?

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Yes, that is disobedient. If the priest does not invite us to “offer the peace”, then the Mass continues directly into the Angus Dei. You can hardly be properly participating in that wonderful prayer if you are simultaneouly shaking hands with people around you!

I also agree with Brhrolf, that a simply nod and eye contact is all that is truly required in terms of physical movements during the Sign of Peace.
 
In regards to the sign of peace I keep my hands together in front of me and nod my head wishing people peace, at those masses where they do it. I do not turn around, I only turn to those who come to me first from the side, or in front.

In regards to the ‘Our Father’ in those masses where the abuse is prevalent, I always have my hands together, as an altar boy would, in prayer, at the chest. This is both reverent and makes it clear they aren’t going anywhere else.

I never have a problem with insistent folks, but a smile and a nod suffices either way.

I find this as minimally disruptive a way to handle it possible. In some cases, though, there was a particular very small Communion Service where they would all hold hands in a circle, and it was so close and exceptional not to, that while I acted as always, I felt uncomfortable enough to only go there when there was no other alternative.

These people, rather than bringing people together by their hand holding, worked on driving me away. I do not fault them over much though, their pastor was problematic. He is gone now (for good), I will have to check out how they are doing with the new pastor soon.
 
Perhaps a little bit of hope can be injected into our discussion .

After a little research, I was pleasantly surprised to discover that these abuses of the sign of peace are starting to draw the attention of the bishops and of …:yup: even our Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI.

From this link (takes the page a while to load completely, scroll down till you see a pic of a big hand and the title A CRISIS OF MEANING IN THE SIGN OF PEACE)
catholictradition.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html#7912623219011756776

"…The rite of peace, which was restored to all Masses in the 1970 Missal, has fallen onto hard times. Though some Catholics wholeheartedly praise it as the “highpoint of the Mass” (as one of my priest friends has been told several times by his parishioners), others view the matter differently. The 2005 Eucharistic Synod worries that the greeting has assumed “a dimension that could be problematic,” as “when it is too prolonged” or "causes confusion.“1 In Sacramentum Caritatis Pope Benedict XVI speaks of the peace becoming “exaggerated” by emotion and causing “a certain distraction” before Holy Communion.2 Consequently, the Supreme Pontiff not only calls for “greater restraint” in the gesture of peace but has even raised the question as to whether it should be moved to another part of the Mass.3”

There are a few good articles to be found on this particular consideration. Here’s a link to a nice one published by The National Council of Priests of Australia and written by Bishop Kevin Manning:ncp.catholic.org.au/members/NCP-NewGIRM3.htm

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Now here is the rub: The Sunday mass is started with a “lets greet our neighbors” bit where all turn and smile,shake hands, hug and actually talk in greeting. This is followed later with hand holding at the Pater Noster and the usual (horrible in my opinion) “offer each other a sign of peace” handshaking and touchy feelyness (while ignoring that our Lord is laid bare on the altar!).

My question: While I try to just go along for continuitys sake (with gritted teeth) I am often tempted to just NOT participate in these silly little customs. Would you, good readers, consider this rude? Would it be to offensive?
The “meet and greet” to start is not part of the rubrics, and if necessary at all (because the parish is so big that the people around you are so likely to be total strangers), then it should be done very briefly before the processional hymn starts. At most parishes I’ve been to, this is the same time that everyone is reminded to turn off their cell phones and pagers. In an ideal world, neither would ever be necessary. It is anti-social not to give any recognition to others at all, when the request is not in violation of the rubrics, but you don’t have to respond in kind to whatever recognition you’re getting or that they’re exchanging. If it comes at a time that* is* in violation of the rubrics, you don’t have to do it at all.

The issue of handing-holding during the Pater Noster has been beaten to death, I’d think.

The Sign of Peace, however, is not a silly little custom. It is part of the Mass in recognition of the fact that the Lord calls us to receive Himself in communion. If the Lord is being ignored, then the whole point of this part of our worship is being missed. Rather, it is in keeping with the command to be reconciled and at peace with each other before we even think of approaching the altar. I’d rather it came earlier in the Mass, but that is the Holy See’s decision, not mine.

In any event, the Sign of Peace is a necessary part of the Mass, but you are free to observe it so it remains a part of the single act of worship that is the Mass. I’ve found it worthwhile to offer it with the meditation on each face: “This is someone for whose soul alone you would have died, Lord” “This is someone for whose soul alone you would have died, Lord”. As Holy Communion goes on, meditate on how the Lord thirsts for each one, how infinitely precious each one is to Him, how deeply He desires that, having received Him in joy, you love each one He has called His own with the same patience and zeal that He does. This is what Heaven will be, when you and each one of our brothers and sisters really “gets” what God’s love is, what worshiping and glorifying Him is, and shares in it. This meditation can make instances of lukewarmness more painful to witness, but at the same time heightens one’s affection for the ones He has chosen to draw to Himself.

And, let us face it: if we, knowing what we know about ourselves, can accept His thirst for us, why should their sins present us with difficulty? For we should always love others in the knowledge that we are the ones who have been forgiven the largest sum. We should demand not a penny of repayment for debts owed to us, nor should we grumble at all at the Lord’s generosity to others. Rather, meditating on the largess shown to us should make us all the more generous to others. God’s boundless generosity, and it alone, has been our own salvation.

Gritted teeth are inevitable for those with that temptation, but they are a little thing to offer up. So if you think the practice profitable for your brothers and sisters, or if you think you will scandalize them in their weakness if you don’t join in, then join in. If you think the practice is hurting them, then refrain from it as gently and with as much affection for their souls as you can. Love them first, knowing you cannot honor and give glory to God while loving weakly, and then decide how to act that out in a way that gives only glory and honor to God.
 
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