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joeybaggz
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Thanks, Irishmon. Glad to know I’m not the only one.
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joeybaggz
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Speed limits, stop signs, statutory rape, child abuse, child pornography, etc. etc. etc. are also about control. Surely you don’t think they are “bad” laws. Control is necessary if a society is to function in a healthy manner.
A question. If we were to allow everyone to do whatever they want, free of control, should race car drivers be allowed to do 185 mph in a school zone; after all they are probably the best drivers in the world.
A question. If we were to allow everyone to do whatever they want, free of control, should race car drivers be allowed to do 185 mph in a school zone; after all they are probably the best drivers in the world.
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anon82300119
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Yeah. It’s called “self control”.
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jaygunther6m
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Control is necessary if a society is to function in a healthy manner.
“Yeah. It’s called “self control”.”
Agreed. But look around at society. How much self control do you see. Heck just drive on a crowded interstate. You’ll see lots of self control. This is a sinful, selfish, self centered world we live in. You are not seriously saying we should let everyone do what they want and rely on others self control, are you??
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Control is necessary if a society is to function in a healthy manner.
“Yeah. It’s called “self control”.”
Agreed. But look around at society. How much self control do you see. Heck just drive on a crowded interstate. You’ll see lots of self control. This is a sinful, selfish, self centered world we live in. You are not seriously saying we should let everyone do what they want and rely on others self control, are you??
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BroIgnatius
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It can still be restored and criminals have no problem committing a felony. Again, the only person effected is the law-biding citizen. Such laws do absolutely nothing to curb these weapons from the criminals. Thus, it is a useless law and cost tax payers a lot of money for no real effect.
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anon82300119
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We have too much government.
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BroIgnatius
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@joeybaggz When you click on the Reply in someones post, the editing window appears. To insert a quote of the post you are replying to, click on the icon on the far left, the little bubble. That will insert the complete post you are replying to.
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midori
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An armed citizenry is a useful, healthy thing.
Sometimes, people will say, “Well, it’s the right to bear arms-- but it doesn’t specify what kind!” But Federalist #29 and Federalist #46 suggest that the whole purpose of an armed citizenry is to make a standing army a safe thing to have. And the armed citizens of the time had access to the same kind of firepower that the army had.
Likewise, an armed citizenry makes it difficult for an invading army. Look at the trouble we’ve had with Iraq and Afghanistan. We’re technologically superior to them in every way, and yet we’ve been there how long…?
I have my CCL, which I got before my state passed Open Carry. I haven’t used it, because I don’t practice enough to responsibly put myself in that situation. However, we at least have the minimum of what we need in case the need arises… and the need actually did pop up earlier this summer. A rattlesnake was in our back yard. Normally, I’d prefer to relocate a critter out into the nearby fields. But this guy was close to the center of town, in a very residential area, full of senior citizens and small children. We shot it, so that it wouldn’t bite or kill someone vulnerable. We called the police (because we had discharged a firearm within the city limits)… it took them over 20 minutes to arrive. They thought it might have been the same rattlesnake that was reported earlier in the area, but by the time they had responded to the call, the caller had given up on waiting and no one was left in the area to show where it had gone. So then it ended up on our back porch— and my kids were the ones who spotted it, and, thank goodness, were sensible enough to say, “Hey, Mommy, there’s a snake outside!” rather than try to mess with it without telling us.
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Sometimes, we can’t rely on others to show up in a timely manner, let alone solve our problems for us.
Sometimes, people will say, “Well, it’s the right to bear arms-- but it doesn’t specify what kind!” But Federalist #29 and Federalist #46 suggest that the whole purpose of an armed citizenry is to make a standing army a safe thing to have. And the armed citizens of the time had access to the same kind of firepower that the army had.
Likewise, an armed citizenry makes it difficult for an invading army. Look at the trouble we’ve had with Iraq and Afghanistan. We’re technologically superior to them in every way, and yet we’ve been there how long…?
I have my CCL, which I got before my state passed Open Carry. I haven’t used it, because I don’t practice enough to responsibly put myself in that situation. However, we at least have the minimum of what we need in case the need arises… and the need actually did pop up earlier this summer. A rattlesnake was in our back yard. Normally, I’d prefer to relocate a critter out into the nearby fields. But this guy was close to the center of town, in a very residential area, full of senior citizens and small children. We shot it, so that it wouldn’t bite or kill someone vulnerable. We called the police (because we had discharged a firearm within the city limits)… it took them over 20 minutes to arrive. They thought it might have been the same rattlesnake that was reported earlier in the area, but by the time they had responded to the call, the caller had given up on waiting and no one was left in the area to show where it had gone. So then it ended up on our back porch— and my kids were the ones who spotted it, and, thank goodness, were sensible enough to say, “Hey, Mommy, there’s a snake outside!” rather than try to mess with it without telling us.
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Sometimes, we can’t rely on others to show up in a timely manner, let alone solve our problems for us.
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Duesenberg
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That’s just not true. Select-fire rifles like the M-16 are legally available to private US citizens (in most states) but there are severe licensing requirements. Firearms like the M-16 have several uses in addition to combat including: self defense, marksmanship competition and collecting. I have no desire to own one (they waste ammo and they are artificially expensive due to gov’t regulations), but my right to own one should not be infringed with the “combat only” argument.
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Duesenberg
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So you are advocating for “common sense gun control”? Lanza killed his own mother to get at secured weapons…
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DeniseNY
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I personally don’t want to own a firearm, and I don’t think I ever will. But if others who are responsible and law abiding wish to make that choice, I would not try to impede their access.
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starshiptrooper
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5.56 is smaller so soldiers can carry more. Running out of ammo in the middle of a firefight is bad news.
As for killing another human being, that is certainly a legitimate purpose for a civilian to own a firearm. We have the right to defense of self and others.
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joeybaggz
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Thank you, Brother !!
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joeybaggz
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No argument, and I’m not against the 2nd amendment (I think I’ve said that before) Just defend yourself with a shotgun, hunting rifle, or a pistol (that is legal to own) No need for combat assault rifles. In fact, a 12 gauge is a far more effective weapon against a western diamondback rattler, than a Marine Corps sniper rifle. (unless you’re more that twenty five yards away.)joeybaggz:
5.56 is smaller so soldiers can carry more. Running out of ammo in the middle of a firefight is bad news.
As for killing another human being, that is certainly a legitimate purpose for a civilian to own a firearm. We have the right to defense of self and others.
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That’s anti-2A talk. Why limit what sort of gun I can defend myself with? Just why are shotguns, “hunting rifles” and pistols sacrosanct? Is an AR-15 (semi-auto M16) also OK? How about an M1 Garand – many have been used for hunting.
Setting arbitrary limits like “Just defend yourself with a shotgun, hunting rifle, or a pistol (that is legal to own)” is terribly wrong.
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No, it’s anti far right wing, wild eyed zealot lunatic fringe of the 2A supporter talk. Guns for legitimate purposes are fine to own for hunting, self defense and other legal purposes. Combat assault rifles designed to kill others aren’t. We restrict so many other things because of the danger to others; things such as drugs, street illegal vehicles, liquor, sex, and I can probably think of a dozen more, not because one individual isn’t capable, but because many other innocent people are put in danger from those things.joeybaggz:
That’s anti-2A talk. Why limit what sort of gun I can defend myself with? Just why are shotguns, “hunting rifles” and pistols sacrosanct? Is an AR-15 (semi-auto M16) also OK? How about an M1 Garand – many have been used for hunting.
Setting arbitrary limits like “Just defend yourself with a shotgun, hunting rifle, or a pistol (that is legal to own)” is terribly wrong.
This discussion has gone on far enough. And while I know you’ll respond with more NRA propaganda, the sad thing is that you don’t realize that my position is to keep allowing legitimate hunters and citizens to responsibly and legally own guns. Because a couple more Sandy Hooks, VA Techs, and Columbines and sooner or later the majority of the American public is going to outnumber the NRA and its supporters and I fear there will be tremendous political pressure to ban all guns. Heck, the Democrats love Europe, and owning guns there is difficult at best.
Another dozen six year old dead from some nut with an automatic rifle, and I will write my senators and congressmen with a request to serious ban all weapons.
And please don’t respond with some version of “guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” Guns do kill people.
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Duesenberg
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Wow, you really just tipped your hand. You really are an anti-Second Amendment individual. Your vitriol towards the NRA (the USA’s single oldest civil rights organization) is most telling.
I’m curious, who exactly defines “legitimate purposes?” You? Politicians? Popular media?
Keep one thing in mind. The right to own firearms is God-given (self-defense) and it’s protected by the Bill of Rights. Drugs, liquor and the rest you mention are not rights. They are privileges. Apples and oranges.
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To answer your curiosity, the voters of this country.joeybaggz:
Wow, you really just tipped your hand. You really are an anti-Second Amendment individual. Your vitriol towards the NRA (the USA’s single oldest civil rights organization) is most telling.
I’m curious, who exactly defines “legitimate purposes?” You? Politicians? Popular media?
Keep one thing in mind. The right to own firearms is God-given (self-defense) and it’s protected by the Bill of Rights. Drugs, liquor and the rest you mention are not rights. They are privileges. Apples and oranges.
Drugs are not rights??? Tell that to the guys who sells me aspirin at Wal-Mart. I have the right to buy aspirin, I don’t have the right to buy heroin. There are many other fine distinctions I could cite, but I’m pretty sure I would be wasting my breath.
And no, I’m not against the 2nd amendment. I am against the misuse of the 2nd amendment, and the paranoid members who won’t live in the real world.
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In fact, your arguments sound a lot like the pro abortion crowd, who want unlimited access at all stages of gestation, and won’t listen to any intelligent dialogue that don’t line up 110% with their views.
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