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Literature?
Thanks, I needed a laugh.
Evidenty you didn’t bother reading the posts concerning Mr. Brown vs. Umberto Eco.
Eco’s work is literature. Brown is a hack.
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Thanks, I needed a laugh.
Evidenty you didn’t bother reading the posts concerning Mr. Brown vs. Umberto Eco.
Eco’s work is literature. Brown is a hack.
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cathgal
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Let’s not generlize viewpoint of books. My particular viewpoint is the DaVinci. I don’t know what kind of Christian you are but as for me, I hoped I’m a devout Christian. Meaning if anybody blaspheme anything about Christianity which was believed to be for more than 2000 years, particularly Christ, I would be very offended. If you’re not, what kind of Christian are you to praise such book that blasphemed Christ and his Church! You can’t be counted on to defend Christianity that’s for sure!
That’s like writing a fictional book about one’s mother prostituting her life to fame and fortune when in fact it was by her own sweat and labor!
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marvin
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You mean DAN BROWN “one of the most amazing and prestigious authors in a LONG time”-xphan is finally taking his magnum opus **THE DAVINCI CODE ** to the big screen???
In a theater near me? Can I go to Fandango and get advance tickets NOW??? If not now, WHEN praytell WHEN???
I’m so interested and/or intrigued, (and /or outraged) that I can HARDLY WAIT to see this SOON TO BE RELEASED MAJOR MOTION PICTURE!
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kekomigeri
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He doesnt promote it… he is mearly stating an historical fact with evidence to back it up. What are you denying exactly? That Jesus was not a man? Have you seen extracts from the original gospels? The gospels NOT edited and selected by the church that is…
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kekomigeri
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It wasnt Dan Browns idea to make a film out of this. Hollywood with make a movie out of anything… Let us not forget Mel Gibsons “masterpiece” The Passion of Christ
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kekomigeri
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I couldnt agree more. I´m glad someone in this forum is actually talking some sence. It is totaly inapropriate to label someone ignorant just because they dont share the same opinion as you.
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cathgal
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Have you read the book? You know what you’re talking about??? You sure don’t sound like it!
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OhioBob
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Dan Brown as “Literature”? 
Not likely.
In my opinion, it’s pablum. Mind mush. The “Enquirer” with a nice dust jacket. WWF wrestling with a binding. Jerry Springer in print.
But hey, it’s a page-turner. And Ron Howard thinks it will make a dandy movie.
I’ll probably save my $9.00 though. I’d rather see something edifying like “Ishtar”.
Not likely.In my opinion, it’s pablum. Mind mush. The “Enquirer” with a nice dust jacket. WWF wrestling with a binding. Jerry Springer in print.
But hey, it’s a page-turner. And Ron Howard thinks it will make a dandy movie.
I’ll probably save my $9.00 though. I’d rather see something edifying like “Ishtar”.
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Listener
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I think that he is a very talented writer. I have read more than one of his books, and I couldn’t put them down. It is true that he mixes fact and fiction in a rather maddening way, and you sure have trouble telling the good guy from the bad guy.
His book, The DaVinci Code really upset a lot of people. I don’t believe for a minute the stuff he wrote about Jesus and Mary Magdalen, and I certainly don’t believe that Jesus had Mary Magdalen sitting next to Him at the Last Supper.
However this book is FICTION, and I think maybe people are making too much of a big deal out of it. This book has made people want to read more about the history of Europe, museums, and art in general.
I was a little surprised, but there is really a tradition that Mary Magdalene ended up in France. You can read about this in the Catholic Encyclopedia.
His book, The DaVinci Code really upset a lot of people. I don’t believe for a minute the stuff he wrote about Jesus and Mary Magdalen, and I certainly don’t believe that Jesus had Mary Magdalen sitting next to Him at the Last Supper.
However this book is FICTION, and I think maybe people are making too much of a big deal out of it. This book has made people want to read more about the history of Europe, museums, and art in general.
I was a little surprised, but there is really a tradition that Mary Magdalene ended up in France. You can read about this in the Catholic Encyclopedia.
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cathgal
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You are correct and you also know exactly what you’re reading and can distinguish between fact and fiction but can you speak for others, less knowledgeable readers. You said others ‘have trouble telling the good guy from the bad guy’. That’s exaclty the crux of the problem so how can you say people are making too much of a big deal out of it? Losing faith is a big deal isn’t it?
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LOL the Church DOESNT go with the time… Do my thoughts make me a bad Christian? No. I have strong faith therefore I can read a freaking book and not turn my faith against God. And I am not ignorant, I know what truth is. Dan Brown is a great author. I wonder what other Christian secret he’ll reveal next! Maybe that the Pope was a Nazi!
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Katie1723
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Excuse me my dear, but no where did I “praise” the book. If you read my post, all I said was " I plan to read it". And , much to your chagrin I suppose, I consider myself a devout Catholic, as I believe I am a tolerant individual, much like Christ was “tolerant”. I don’t know about you, but I like to read various things, for the precise reason I stated, not to become entrenched in one particular viewpoint. For, I truly believe, it is for this very reason, that we close our minds and miss out on variety. As for my “defending Christianity”, I try to life my life as Christ would want me to, by loving everyone, not just those I am comfortable with or who feel the way I do about things.
~ Kathy ~
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OriginalJS
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Since the 1940’s there has been a growing interest in the historical Jesus Christ. There have been numerous non-theological studies and publications for the general public ranging from the scholarly to relatively easy reads. Examples of the spread are works by John Dominic Crossan to the more easy reading by John Shelby Spong. Also, of course there has been renewed interest in writings by Deists such as Thomas Jefferson.
However, all of these books still require you to pay some attention. For whatever reasons, many folks are not close to being careful readers and need fast moving, interesting material with action on every page. This is just exactly the niche that Dan Brown has filled.
If you doubt this, consider the great success of the Harry Potter books by JFK Rowling. These immense works have got children raised on the internet to serious reading.
As far as I am concerned, Angels and Demons is totally implausible. The Da Vinci Code is filled with old, old stuff.
But, don’t sell the power of the Da Vinci Code short. I think the Church needs to wise up and adapt and get its own material in the public eye to counteract the effect of the Da Vinci Code. So far, that just hasn’t been undertaken seriously.
However, all of these books still require you to pay some attention. For whatever reasons, many folks are not close to being careful readers and need fast moving, interesting material with action on every page. This is just exactly the niche that Dan Brown has filled.
If you doubt this, consider the great success of the Harry Potter books by JFK Rowling. These immense works have got children raised on the internet to serious reading.
As far as I am concerned, Angels and Demons is totally implausible. The Da Vinci Code is filled with old, old stuff.
But, don’t sell the power of the Da Vinci Code short. I think the Church needs to wise up and adapt and get its own material in the public eye to counteract the effect of the Da Vinci Code. So far, that just hasn’t been undertaken seriously.
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kekomigeri
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Please… your tellin ME I dont know what im talking about? Thats rich. You will all stand and critisize The Davinci Code on how implausable and full of trash it is. Lets not get started on the “Holy” Bible.
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Uh oh!
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kekomigeri
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Ha ha! Comedian! Your right… theres no way we can prove anything is the bible a false as its just packed with tales of morality and realism.
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OhioBob
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I thought this thread was about Dan Brown? This is heading nowhere fast…
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**kekomigeri:
mikew262:
Just read the cover story on Newsweek, or maybe it was Time, about the coming film. Ron Howard made a point of saying that he would yell “fiction” to anyone who thought that the movie was portraying the truth. For example, he is not including the opening of the book that states that all of the descriptions are historically acurate.
Still wish he hadn’t made the film, but it gives me some hope.
This film is going to be huge. Perhaps if enough of us are ready with the counter arguments to what the book proposes, both those on the pundit level and the rest of us on the one to one water cooler level, we can do some good. Perhaps we can plant the seed of doubt in the minds of those who would also give credence to other popular misconceptions and heresies.
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*A hoex you say? On what basis? The factual sections of his books are based on historical truths.. Can i ask what your historical information is based on? You tell me what claims in his books are false.. because i can assure you, there is a lot reliable evidence to suggest that it is not.*I wonder if this onslaught is prime for a teachable moment.Uh,oh. Get prepared for the onslaught that is sure to follow.
Just read the cover story on Newsweek, or maybe it was Time, about the coming film. Ron Howard made a point of saying that he would yell “fiction” to anyone who thought that the movie was portraying the truth. For example, he is not including the opening of the book that states that all of the descriptions are historically acurate.
Still wish he hadn’t made the film, but it gives me some hope.
This film is going to be huge. Perhaps if enough of us are ready with the counter arguments to what the book proposes, both those on the pundit level and the rest of us on the one to one water cooler level, we can do some good. Perhaps we can plant the seed of doubt in the minds of those who would also give credence to other popular misconceptions and heresies.
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I think Dan Brown is a very good author, who has managed sucessfully to create entertaining books. I believe some of his criticism is unjust, as his books are fictional. He has atleast managed to get so many interested in reading once again. Having said this, his ideas are not factual, alot of the content - particularly of The Davinci Code are viewpoints, and they are not researched to great enough depth.
Ooooh kekomigeri, I just saw, Manchester - YAY!!
Ooooh kekomigeri, I just saw, Manchester - YAY!!
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I would strongly advise everybody to read “The DaVinci Hoax” by Carl Olsen and Sandra Miesel. It is very thoroughly researched and documented, and blows every “historical” claim Dan Brown tries to make clear out of the ballpark. (And yes, I have read the DaVinci Code as well. Luckily I had the “Hoax” in hand as well, so I could actually verify (or not!) Brown’s ludicrous claims.)
Dan Browns’ books are just another attempt to repackage gnostic spirituality for the next generation. I think the appeal is that these kinds of writings allow one to be “spiritual” without being “religious.” Which means, of course, you can have the warm fuzzies without any having to believe anything really demanding like the Decalogue, Heaven, Hell, an Innocent Victim who died to redeem sinners like us, etc. etc. etc.
Dan Browns’ books are just another attempt to repackage gnostic spirituality for the next generation. I think the appeal is that these kinds of writings allow one to be “spiritual” without being “religious.” Which means, of course, you can have the warm fuzzies without any having to believe anything really demanding like the Decalogue, Heaven, Hell, an Innocent Victim who died to redeem sinners like us, etc. etc. etc.
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