Your thoughts on Planned Parenthood?

[Rand_Al_Thor]

Pax vobiscum!

Mirdath, the coathanger is a MYTH. Planned Parenthood’s OWN RESEARCH said that about 90% of abortions before Roe were performed by doctors in doctors offices; they were just done illegally. Maybe a couple women used a coathanger, but I’ve never seen any evidence from any source, even PP, that says they did. The only place I’ve seen that **** spouted out is from angry feminists who have no capacity for rational thought.

What about PP’s clinic in Mexico that I mentioned? About how they were trying to wipe out the people there? Anything to say about that?

In Christ,
Rand

 

[estesbob]

Pax vobiscum!

Mirdath, the coathanger is a MYTH. Planned Parenthood’s OWN RESEARCH said that about 90% of abortions before Roe were performed by doctors in doctors offices; they were just done illegally. Maybe a couple women used a coathanger, but I’ve never seen any evidence from any source, even PP, that says they did. The only place I’ve seen that **** spouted out is from angry feminists who have no capacity for rational thought.

What about PP’s clinic in Mexico that I mentioned? About how they were trying to wipe out the people there? Anything to say about that?

In Christ,
Rand

Not only is the coathanger a myth but so is the supposed death toll from abortions. The CDC estimated that deaths from abortions averaged under 400 a year in the years prior to Roe-about the same as now.

 

[Mirdath]

Ah the soft bigotry of low expectations.

I see no reasons here to raise them, and honestly, I’m disappointed
Rand Al'Thor:

What about PP’s clinic in Mexico that I mentioned? About how they were trying to wipe out the people there? Anything to say about that?

Nothing more than what I’ve already said on that subject.

 

[hasikelee]

Some, some, some, none, no, yes, some, and don’t care, respectively.

As I said earlier, Margaret Sanger’s reprehensible views do not necessarily have any bearing on the mission of the organization as it is or on the ideals of the people currently running it.

You might also be surprised if you saw what some actual charities which are supposedly even less profit-oriented do, from United Way on down. Last I saw, PP has no such pretensions.

Regardless of Sanger’s actions and views, PP’s current financial and political status is certainly easy enough to research.

Are you trying to deny part of their own, stated facts?

If PP itself has its own figures of profit and statistics on services offered, its own websites that can clearly be observed and the mission statement that is fully readable, why do you not support its very own information?

Perhaps your arguments are for a specific clinic and not the entire company as a whole? If so, you need to mention the specific clinic so the merits of that one can be readily seen on its own.

Still, that doesn’t get you away from the other major flaw of your argument, namely, that if a company which has performed inherently degrading behaviors to women, minorities, and children, should be given credit for supposed good services done at the same time or at a different location.

 

[Mirdath]

Regardless of Sanger’s actions and views, PP’s current financial and political status is certainly easy enough to research.

Are you trying to deny part of their own, stated facts?

Uh, no? Where have I denied that they run a business, not a charity – yet a business engaged in humanitarian work, and charging far less than they could get away with?

Still, that doesn’t get you away from the other major flaw of your argument, namely, that if a company which has performed inherently degrading behaviors to women, minorities, and children, should be given credit for supposed good services done at the same time or at a different location.

I suspect we differ on what constitutes a ‘degrading behavior’.

 

[estesbob]

Uh, no? Where have I denied that they run a business, not a charity – yet a business engaged in humanitarian work, and charging far less than they could get away with?

I suspect we differ on what constitutes a ‘degrading behavior’.

Slicing and diceing children into little pieces and flusing them down the sink is humanitarian work? Now Ive heard everything.

 

[Bennie_P]

Rand, Margaret Sanger is dead as a doornail and has been for quite some time.

Do you drive a Ford? Did you know Henry was a Nazi sympathizer? What about Disney, do you like any of his stuff, especially the older cartoons? Nazi.

While the ideals of the founder were certainly nothing to be proud of, that does not necessarily reflect on those of the organization today. PP is not about trying to sneakily exterminate minorities, it is a public health service provider for everyone.

I boycott Ford and Disney, not just for the what they represented in the past, but what the do in the present.

The first clinics went into the poorest neighborhoods and were aimed at the lower working class. Per-capita African-Americans have taken the hardest hit. Western society is not reproducing itself at replacement rates and PP lobbies to get their agenda attached to aid going to third world countries. Otherwise they have a philosophy, no abortions, then no food or other medical help. Its pure Eugenics by controlling the population growth of the poor, only thing, it is destroying the first world. The “unfit” in the third world countries haven’t bought into the “wisdom” of the West.

The tactics of the NAZI’s are alive and well within PP boardrooms of death.

The feminist motto to women, Arbeit Macht Frei (“Work will set you free”) and you can’t work if you have children, so kill um.

 

[TheApologist]

Don’t forget, many PP agents, when talking to minor girls going out with non-minor guys, tell them not to tell the PP their names(then they are legally obligated to call the police), tell them to not reveal their ages, and generally help them hide the fact that they are dating and having sex illegally. I had a link to a site with real recordings of these illegal phone calls, but I don’t know where it is now.

And for what they do overall…I don’t know about you, but when one of my friends is pregnant, I will do everything in my power to show them the anti-Catholic, anti-life, anti-government(illegal activity), and such they do. Also I will give her the phone number and ride to the closest pro-life clinic.

 

[HoBo30]

I boycott Ford

Yes, let’s boycott a company that employs thousands simply for trying to increase it’s bottom line. If Ford didn’t think that gay people were potential customers, it wouldn’t advertise to them.

BTW, last time I checked, what type of car you drive doesn’t make you gay. (I take that back, if you drive an import, then you hate your countrymen and are extremely “gay”).

By boycotting a company for trying to sell something to a group of people that has very little to do w/ the trait that defines them, you are effectively trying to put a company that employs hundreds of thousands of good people under.

If you had said that you didn’t think Ford makes a good product, I would have accepted that. I would question that value judgment, but I’d accept it.

To boycott a company because they’re trying to sell something to someone is stupid and anti-capitalistic. I thought everybody on here was on the extreme right and loved capitalism?

 

[Bennie_P]

Yes, let’s boycott a company that employs thousands simply for trying to increase it’s bottom line. If Ford didn’t think that gay people were potential customers, it wouldn’t advertise to them.

BTW, last time I checked, what type of car you drive doesn’t make you gay. (I take that back, if you drive an import, then you hate your countrymen and are extremely “gay”).

By boycotting a company for trying to sell something to a group of people that has very little to do w/ the trait that defines them, you are effectively trying to put a company that employs hundreds of thousands of good people under.

If you had said that you didn’t think Ford makes a good product, I would have accepted that. I would question that value judgment, but I’d accept it.

To boycott a company because they’re trying to sell something to someone is stupid and anti-capitalistic. I thought everybody on here was on the extreme right and loved capitalism?

Wow, I never mentioned why I boycot Ford, but the culture of death is always ready to attack.

It doesn’t only try to sell to a certain group, but gives money to support anti-family political action.

I also boycot the Race for the Cure, an organization I once supported, for giving money to Planned Parenthood.

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

Nothing more than what I’ve already said on that subject.

So you’re ok with them committing genocide as long as they offer “low cost healthcare” to some women in America? That is sickening.

In Christ,
Rand

 

[st_lucy]

Mirdath,

I would really like to hear you reply back to this statment.

Slicing and diceing children into little pieces and flusing them down the sink is humanitarian work? Now Ive heard everything.

 

[Mirdath]

So you’re ok with them committing genocide as long as they offer “low cost healthcare” to some women in America? That is sickening.

No, it’s that I don’t believe they’re committing genocide, period.
st lucy:

I would really like to hear you reply back to this statment.

I’m pro-choice. Is that so surprising?

I didn’t answer that for a variety of reasons: the question was rhetorical, the language was loaded (and I disagree with its fundamental assumptions), and estesbob just isn’t much fun to debate.

 

[estesbob]

No, it’s that I don’t believe they’re committing genocide, period.

I’m pro-choice. Is that so surprising?

I didn’t answer that for a variety of reasons: the question was rhetorical, the language was loaded (and I disagree with its fundamental assumptions), and estesbob just isn’t much fun to debate.

In other words you cant answer … But that is common for those who support this abject evil. They want to deal only in euphanisms to descibe the genocide performed by these “humantiarian” organizations. 45 million plus have been sacrificed at the altar of choice. How many more have to die before you are satisfied?

 

[st_lucy]

I’m pro-choice. Is that so surprising?

I didn’t answer that for a variety of reasons: the question was rhetorical, the language was loaded (and I disagree with its fundamental assumptions), and estesbob just isn’t much fun to debate.

Well, I kind of guessed that you are pro-choice. Well, I once was too. But let me ask you since you didn’t answer because it was in you opinion a loaded question. Do you disagree with the idea of the killing on the child or is it because you don’t believe it is a child?

I really hope you feel more comfortable debating with me and so you will answer my questions.

 

[estesbob]

Well, I kind of guessed that you are pro-choice. Well, I once was too. But let me ask you since you didn’t answer because it was in you opinion a loaded question. Do you disagree with the idea of the killing on the child or is it because you don’t believe it is a child?

I really hope you feel more comfortable debating with me and so you will answer my questions.

Thats too easy an out. I am sure he will tell you its just a fetus as if that somehow makes it ok. Like i said in order to rationalize their support for genocide they resort to euphanisms. Seperate distinct human life is present from the moment of conception on. Human lile is destoryed in obortuatries. To someome to support this is beyond belief.

 

[littlepaperstar]

I don’t believe that Disney was a Nazi as you say. Have you seen any of his WW2 cartoon?

It’s true! I have seen those cartoons in a documentary!

I have also seen some of the cartoons on another site that people on here actually go to. I was shocked to see it on that particular site.

I would post a link but I don’t think it would be appropriate, it’s very offensive. I never thought I would see Hitler in a disney cartoon with Donald Duck marching along in his army with a swastika on his arm. Now that is sad and pathetic. A childs cartoon!

Those cartoons should be burned.

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

No, it’s that I don’t believe they’re committing genocide, period.

So what is your definition of genocide? PP said that their goal in that area of Mexico was to get the family size down to UNDER 2 CHILDREN per family. It takes 2.1 CHILDREN to replace a population. They were trying to wipe out that population. Is that not genocide???

And I’d also like an answer to this, too. There is not a single science book, biology book, human embryology book, human development book, ect. in existence that says that human life begins at a point other than at conception. That is scientific fact, my friend. Do you just not believe that or do you not care?

In Christ,
Rand

 

[estesbob]

It’s true! I have seen those cartoons in a documentary!

I have also seen some of the cartoons on another site that people on here actually go to. I was shocked to see it on that particular site.

I would post a link but I don’t think it would be appropriate, it’s very offensive. I never thought I would see Hitler in a disney cartoon with Donald Duck marching along in his army with a swastika on his arm. Now that is sad and pathetic. A childs cartoon!

Those cartoons should be burned.

Those cartoons were MOCKING Hitler and the Nazis.

 

[littlepaperstar]

Those cartoons were MOCKING Hitler and the Nazis.

Not based on the documentary I saw. Do you want me to send you some links?