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[Sochi]

Truth my friend is, as it must be per defined issue, singular.

What I share is God’s singular truth as is my duty.

God Bless you,
Patrick

So you claim that with your human mind you encompass and represent the whole undivided Singularity of God and Creation from the standpoint of Deity? Isn’t that just a tad hubristic? More than I can handle, Patrick. And if that is true, some things ought follow, or I think they would, and somehow I think they don’t…(…now where did I put that :alarm clock: icon…?)

 

[believeme2]

So you claim that with your human mind you encompass and represent the whole undivided Singularity of God and Creation from the standpoint of Deity? Isn’t that just a tad hubristic? More than I can handle, Patrick. And if that is true, some things ought follow, or I think they would, and somehow I think they don’t…(…now where did I put that :alarm clock: icon…?)

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PJM correct understanding of scripture with --God Himself limits their ability to und
Originally Posted by Albion View Post

Then you should be able to appreciate how transparent such denominational propaganda comes across to those who have not taken the "whatever my church says" approach to truth.

A Catholic reply to Protestant “[mis]- Understandings” Part 3

pat miron
ONLY One Catholic Church, [23 braches], all sharing the same, One set of commonly held faith beliefs;

What became immediately apparent is the sincerity of the positions held by Mr. Heinze., and his evident desire to be factual and true.

Which only affirms my own opinion that God Himself has a role in these well-intended Protestant positions

which , nevertheless, reflect serious-errant misunderstandings of Catholic Doctrines and Dogma, along with an in ability to separate “church-practices,” which can change, from doctrine and dogma which cannot be changed.

God Himself limits their ability to understand the bible by imposing upon them the plague of Ignorance.
This will be proven and become very evident as we proceed though the booklet Thomas authored, and which, God willing, we shall prove and provide biblical evidence of that explains and supports the Catholic Positions.

I have for sometime now been Blessed by God, and able to recognize God’s hand in the lack of RIGHT understanding of what the bible really says as a rather common Protestant trait.

In fact; it seems to be one thing many of the denominations have in common.
This ought not be a surprise to any of us who are “bible-savvy,”

as clear warning is given by God through the bible itself., in a variety of ways.

 

[benjohnson]

So you claim that with your human mind you encompass and represent the whole undivided Singularity of God and Creation from the standpoint of Deity? Isn’t that just a tad hubristic?

In Christianity, one don’t have to be God to proclaim His Gospel.

There’s an infinite lack in my ability to understand God’s ways, And even then, God hasn’t revealed everything to us. But what He has revealed, we can proclaim without reservation.

 

[Sochi]

In Christianity, one don’t have to be God to proclaim His Gospel.

So what you are proclaiming, then, is your personal understanding of what you personally believe to be an adequate translation of many books from many times, under one cover as an arbitrary collection, attendant with all your filters, prejudices, inculcations, etc, etc. For if it was one holy universal truth, there would be instants acknowledgement by anyone, as there might be of the formula for determining the circumference of a circle from it’s radius.

The problem here, Benjohnson, is that many religionists are claiming the same sort of veracity for individually meaningful interpretations as are usually given for measurable or quantifiable phenomena. They are two different quales of consideration.

There’s an infinite lack in my ability to understand God’s ways, And even then, God hasn’t revealed everything to us. But what He has revealed, we can proclaim without reservation.

QED Your “infinite lack” which you claim, you yet use as the ground for claiming the felt necessity to attribute a book to an unprovable Deity, extant or not, and then you abdicate from the need to feel any obligation for adjustment of understanding, so it seems, even in the face of there being about as many interpretations as you wish. Yes? Or are each of the 40 thousand christianist sects and each of their members exactly, inerrantly, right?

 

[benjohnson]

So what you are proclaiming, then, is your personal understanding of what you personally believe to be an adequate translation of many books from many times, under one cover as an arbitrary collection, attendant with all your filters, prejudices, inculcations, etc, etc.

I proclaim (poorly) the Gospel as His Church has instructed me.

For if it was one holy universal truth, there would be instants acknowledgement by anyone, as there might be of the formula for determining the circumference of a circle from it’s radius.

No at all - there are other virtues than instant acknowledgment. Like faith.

If God made it blunderingly obvious, it would take away our free will to come into faith with Him.

The problem here, Benjohnson,

It’s a problem for you. Not for me. While I do my best to proclaim the Gospel, it’s in His hands.

 

[Sochi]

It’s a problem for you. Not for me. While I do my best to proclaim the Gospel, it’s in His hands.

So what you do is irrelevant? That is an interesting reverse of not having free will. Why doesn’t that apply to math? I can have misunderstandings about maths, but free will only to use it or not. Your explanation sounds like a dice game. How is it different?

 

[benjohnson]

So what you do is irrelevant? That is an interesting reverse of not having free will. Why doesn’t that apply to math? I can have misunderstandings about maths, but free will only to use it or not. Your explanation sounds like a dice game. How is it different?

My actions are mostly irrelevant in a physical realm - so are yours.

All my actions, no mater how great, will be forgotten in a few generations then burned up when the sun expands and then crunched to nothingness when the universe collapses.

I pray that your heart isn’t hard, that God gives you faith, and that you respond to that faith.

 

[Sochi]

My actions are mostly irrelevant in a physical realm - so are yours.

All my actions, no mater how great, will be forgotten in a few generations then burned up when the sun expands and then crunched to nothingness when the universe collapses.

I pray that your heart isn’t hard, that God gives you faith, and that you respond to that faith.

So because I don’t agree with you, I’m forgettable, unresponsive, hard hearted faithless so and so, and you are in God’s arms. OK. Well, I agree with you about the forgettable, lol! But last I heard, the physical Universe is project to expand into an infinite and timeless 0 Kelvin void.

 

[benjohnson]

So because I don’t agree with you, I’m forgettable, unresponsive, hard hearted faithless so and so, and you are in God’s arms

I’m praying for you and you have salvation at hand.

The reason I bring up our lamentable physical fate is to drive home that our own minds and technology can’t save us. We have to look outside of our own reality. Of corse the promise given to us by a weird dude in the middle east sounds ridiculous, but it’s infinitely better than trying to rely on your brain to save your soul.

I know my brain would stop functioning as soon as blood flow stopped - and certainly once the worms started playing peanukle.

But last I heard, the physical Universe is project to expand into an infinite and timeless 0 Kelvin void.

True - the current model is an expanding universe. The reason I stay with the ‘big-crunch’ is that most astro-physicists think that we’re on a chain of expanding and contracting universes and that for it to ‘end’ right now seems rather suspicious. There’s a lot of unaccounted matter out there, and that would shift the equation.

 

[Publisher]

If "Truth: exist, it MUST be singular.

So there can be but One True Church

Why is your church the one? Or why is it not the One?

God Bless you,
Patrick

Truth is singular, our perception of it is not.

There is only One Church, all who have been baptized into Christ through the work of the Holy Spirit is part of it.

 

[Sochi]

I’m praying for you and you have salvation at hand.

It’s your decision how you waste your time. And are you my God that you know where my salvation is? What hubris!

The reason I bring up our lamentable physical fate is to drive home that our own minds and technology can’t save us.

It can from some things, not from others, and may cause our collective demise. It’s us, not the technology as such.

We have to look outside of our own reality.

No kidding. I recommend starting immediately!

Of course the promise given to us by a weird dude in the middle east sounds ridiculous, but it’s infinitely better than trying to rely on your brain to save your soul.

Un… what? What else do you have? What do you use to know that there is a weird dude in the middle east???"

I know my brain would stop functioning as soon as blood flow stopped - and certainly once the worms started playing peanukle.

We all do, so what?

True - the current model is an expanding universe. The reason I stay with the ‘big-crunch’ is that most astro-physicists think that we’re on a chain of expanding and contracting universes and that for it to ‘end’ right now seems rather suspicious. There’s a lot of unaccounted matter out there, and that would shift the equation.

I’m good with that. I don’t know either way.

 

[benjohnson]

It’s your decision how you waste your time. And are you my God that you know where my salvation is? What hubris!

It’s your choice on how to respond to God’s whisper - that you’d heard proclaimed here.

 

[Sochi]

It’s your choice on how to respond to God’s whisper - that you’d heard proclaimed here.

It says a lot that He whispers here–and shouts, laughs, paints, sculpts, dances, and sings elsewhere. Thank you for confirming my notions.

 

[benjohnson]

my notions.

You do have plenty of those.

 

[Sochi]

You do have plenty of those.

 

[PJM]

=Publisher;12036246]Truth is singular, our perception of it is not.

There is only One Church, all who have been baptized into Christ through the work of the Holy Spirit is part of it.

Here friend is the fallicy in that understanding.

One must relate “church” [in the context you use it] with “faith beliefs”

So show one evidence from the bible where God or Christ even one time tolerated, permitted, or accepted as “OK” any other competing faiths [ALL Protestant faiths fit my defination of this]…

1st. Tim. 4:14-16 “Neglect not the grace that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with imposition of the hands of the priesthood. Meditate upon these things, be wholly in these things: that thy profiting may be manifest to all Take heed to thyself and to doctrine: be earnest in them.** For in doing this thou shall both save thyself and them that hear thee.”**

John 10:16 “And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice**, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd”**

Eph. 2:19-20 “So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God****, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,**** in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple [singular] in the Lord; in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Eph. 4: 1-7 “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body** [WHICH MEANS ONE CHURCH[/COLOR]] and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, [Meaning only One set of beliefs] one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift"

God Bless you,

Patrick.**

 

[Publisher]

Here friend is the fallicy in that understanding.

One must relate “church” [in the context you use it] with “faith beliefs”

So show one evidence from the bible where God or Christ even one time tolerated, permitted, or accepted as “OK” any other competing faiths [ALL Protestant faiths fit my defination of this]…

1st. Tim. 4:14-16 “Neglect not the grace that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with imposition of the hands of the priesthood. Meditate upon these things, be wholly in these things: that thy profiting may be manifest to all Take heed to thyself and to doctrine: be earnest in them.** For in doing this thou shall both save thyself and them that hear thee.”**

John 10:16 “And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice**, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd”**

Eph. 2:19-20 “So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God****, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,**** in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple [singular] in the Lord; in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Eph. 4: 1-7 “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body** [WHICH MEANS ONE CHURCH[/COLOR]**] and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, [Meaning only One set of beliefs] one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift"

God Bless you,

Patrick.

The Bible itself does not reflect one set of beliefs. Melchiizadek (sp) was not part of the Hebrew people decended from Abraham, there is no evidence in scripture that he and Abraham shared the same beliefs…yet they broke bread together.

The Northern and Southern Kingdoms too shared differing view and beliefs…yet all were of the same Chosen People.

Paul and the other apostles didn’t share the same beliefs concerning gentiles…I realize you may believe Acts is an accurate historic account…which portrays Paul in a different light than how Paul portrays himself in his letters.

Unity is not found in belonging to the same organization, unity is found in Christ, we ARE ONE in Him, whether some of the Body does not find other parts of the Body ‘seemly’ is beside the point. We have the same Shepherd, we have the same Saviour, we share in the same Spirit, we have the same God and Father…we do not necessarily believe in all the exact same things, but then neither do each and every Catholic believe in the same things…oh yes, you may recite the same creed, but the Orthodox and most liturgical Protestants recite the same creed…yet you still belong to different organizations…“ecclesial communities” if you will…yet we all ARE joined to Christ.

Unity of belief has never been the distinguishing trait of the people called Christians, most likely never will until we meet in the Presence.

You may disagree, I good with that, I have desire to change your beliefs in your church or how you understand God and the nature of salvation…but we still belong and share in the same Body of Christ in our world…even though some of us “members” are “unseemly” to you.

 

[Publisher]

That should read “I have NO desire to change your…”

 

[cmodrmac]

**[/IFair enough, BUT. allow me then to ask:

Is Working “for God” the SAME as “DOING God’s work?”*]

An interesting comment- at first I thouhgt it was just “word play” but after further reading

my opinon would be that “doing God’s work” is following the example and teachings of Christ-unselfish spreading the Good news as well as tending to the poor in material goods and those who suffer persecution

as for the term working for God-this in itself carries little meaning and is best redacted

thank you for the correction**

 

[charlesby]

If "Truth: exist, it MUST be singular.

So there can be but One True Church

Why is your church the one? Or why is it not the One?

God Bless you,
Patrick

There is one church of God, one church of the firstborn - bearing in mind the Greek word ekklēsia means congregation rather than the more politicized “church” - but many synagogues of Satan (Rev 2:9 as the term was applied to false Jews).

By extension there can be congregations of Satan or churches of Satan where God is not worshiped. I would apply this term to sundry pseudo-protestant churches that have disowned biblical morals.

Politicized churches that own allegiance primarily to men are severely criticized by the apostle on that very basis.1 Cro 3:4.

Anyone that sets up their church as “the one true church” in contradistinction to everyone else’s is in fact proclaiming separation based on human leadership and is already at variance with scripture for that very reason.

The fact is that there are many churches but one Faith, one Baptism and one Lord - Revelations used the term “the church in city X” and if they follow God, they are one with each other because they are one with God, but if they don’t follow God, they are unlikely to be one with each other.