Your Top 3 Reasons for Drop in Mass Attendance?

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What do you think are the 3 main reasons for a drop in Mass attendance (if that’s indeed the case) over the past 40+ years in your diocese/parish. In mine I believe:

1.) Lack of reverence and solemnity. We now treat the sacred as if it were the ordinary.

2.) Increased compeitition – secular life, Protestantism, non-Christian beliefs, etc.

3.) Poor preaching.
 
**IMHO
  1. Lack of belief in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist.
  2. Ditto
  3. Ditto
If Catholics believed in the Real Presence - nothing would or could keep them away. This is the main issue - everything else is just icing on the cake (great homilies, good music, and welcoming community).**
 
(1) terrible basis for spirituality, given little attention to prayer & sacraments in catechesis. (Can’t see “a reason” to go)

(2) bad music

(3) lack of sense of common reverence among other Mass-goers. (Why should I go, when everyone acts as if this is only a picnic, but a much more boring, indoor picnic? – with bad music. :D)

[definition of “bad music” = uninspiring and/or inappropriate, sung without inspiration]
 
  1. Lack of belief in the Divine
  2. Relativism
  3. Secularism
Very powerful.

What would you say to this belief of mine: I believe that a lack of belief (or more correctly a loss of belief) in Godhas been greatly facilitated by treating the sacred (the divine) as the ordinary?

I’m not talking about technical liturgical abuses or the transition from the EF to the OF but a general and profound lack of visible reverence (both from the laity and the clergy) paid to God before, during and after the celebration of the Mass.
 
the youth these days are growing up not knowing anything about religon. they know what parents teach them or do around they and if there is no religon around them then simply not knowing that a God exist
 
(1) terrible basis for spirituality, given little attention to prayer & sacraments in catechesis. (Can’t see “a reason” to go)

(2) bad music

(3) lack of sense of common reverence among other Mass-goers. (Why should I go, when everyone acts as if this is only a picnic, but a much more boring, indoor picnic? – with bad music. :D)

[definition of “bad music” = uninspiring and/or inappropriate, sung without inspiration]
Your #3 is fascinating to me. There is a HUGE difference between the person who is keenly aware of just what the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is and those that do it simply from habit.
 
  1. No education concerning or respect for authority regarding the Sunday Obligation
  2. Insufficient belief in and devotion to the Eucharist
  3. Poor liturgy and preaching
 
the youth these days are growing up not knowing anything about religon. they know what parents teach them or do around they and if there is no religon around them then simply not knowing that a God exist
Lack of catechesis? Yes…
 
  1. No education concerning or respect for authority regarding the Sunday Obligation
  2. Insufficient belief in and devotion to the Eucharist
  3. Poor liturgy and preaching
Could you please expound a little bit on what you mean by “poor liturgy?” I agree. What it boils down to in my parish is “how could this possibly be the recreation of the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ to His Father for our sins IF people act as they do during the celebration of this Sacrifice?”
 
I would recommend lack of faith as my top reason, but also:
  1. lack of understanding/belief/acceptance that attendance is obligatory; and
  2. post-modern relativisim, which may partially underpin the above two.
I hope that not one of the faithful would decline to receive Him in the Eucharist because they didn’t like the liturgical style.
 
Could you please expound a little bit on what you mean by “poor liturgy?” I agree. What it boils down to in my parish is “how could this possibly be the -]recreation/-] representation of the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ to His Father for our sins IF people act as they do during the celebration of this Sacrifice?”
Sorry about that. :o
 
Could you please expound a little bit on what you mean by “poor liturgy?” I agree. What it boils down to in my parish is “how could this possibly be the recreation of the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ to His Father for our sins IF people act as they do during the celebration of this Sacrifice?”
Well, it could include elements like banal music, liturgical abuses, licit liturgical options which nevertheless are not helpful, not enough incense used, even the way church buildings, vestments, liturgical vessels, etc. sometimes look. The basic thing is a loss of beauty and a sense of the sacred. Even if the person thinks they like a more “down to earth” or “familial” worship style such an ordinary (bland) style of liturgy erodes the sense that it is something special, something which couldn’t be replaced by, say, private prayer in your home or out in nature (not that many or perhaps most people who skip mass saying they can commune with God just as well on their own actually attempt to do so). It also could make switching to a Protestant community seem like not as big a deal.

I’d add that a lack of sense of community in many parishes could easily be another contributing factor, and the two can exacerbate each other. Things like having the priest face the people during mass, folksy hymns, lots of lay ministers, hand holding, common themes in much modern preaching, etc. tend to place greater emphasis on the community than in the past, yet what is this community? Too often it’s a bunch of people who don’t know each other’s names, don’t greet newcomers, don’t actually sing the folksy hymns, leave before the last hymn ends, and live as pagans for the next 6.9 days. If it’s all about the community then why not ditch it all for someplace with a much stronger Christian community, and better preaching too?

Add the sexual abuse scandal into the mix and we’ve got a recipe for a lot of people leaving the Church.
 
I would recommend lack of faith as my top reason, but also:
  1. lack of understanding/belief/acceptance that attendance is obligatory; and
  2. post-modern relativisim, which may partially underpin the above two.
I hope that not one of the faithful would decline to receive Him in the Eucharist because they didn’t like the liturgical style.
Do you really think many Catholics honestly don’t know that every Sunday plus a handful of others days is an obligation? I have long wondered about that…

I have wondered where so many get the idea of going only on Easter and Christmas? Does it derive from the requirement to receive communion at least once per year?

It’s interesting that you say “I hope that not one of the faithful would decline to receive Him in the Eucharist because they didn’t like the liturgical style.” The primary reason we are at Mass is to be present at Calvary as Jesus Christ is sacrificed to His Father so we can be showed with the grace that flows from that most momumental of all acts – it’s not to receive His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. I wonder if most Catholics realize that?
 
Very powerful.

What would you say to this belief of mine: I believe that a lack of belief (or more correctly a loss of belief) in Godhas been greatly facilitated by treating the sacred (the divine) as the ordinary?

I’m not talking about technical liturgical abuses or the transition from the EF to the OF but a general and profound lack of visible reverence (both from the laity and the clergy) paid to God before, during and after the celebration of the Mass.
I agree that in many ways western culture has a lack of (or complete absentence) of a sense of the sacred, the holy, the divine. But I dont think it’s treating it as “ordinary” I think it’s just a rejection of it in the first place, at least when it comes to there being a higher power/God/whatever word used.

I also believe that, at least when it comes to the Judeo-Christian roots, people don’t believe in sin, they don’t believe that the Commandments are truly commandments and take the passive stance that they are “ok and nice ideas” but have no real desire to live them.
 
I feel compelled to mention, especially for the sake of any non-Catholics out there who are curious about the Catholic Church, that there are a lot of great Catholics out there, including a lot of great Catholic priests and Catholic parish communities. And on the whole things seem to be getting better not worse in the realm of liturgy. We Catholics can get really down on our own Church in forums like these and there is value in discussing where we have room for improvement in the living out of our faith, but really there is great truth, beauty, and goodness in the Catholic Church that I wouldn’t trade for anything.
 
  1. Influence of the entertainment media, especially television, films, and music, in making sin, especially the sex sins (pornography, masturbation, co-habitation, fornication, contraception, abortion, adultery, divorce, same-sex activity, perversions, and even rape) acceptable and even wholesome in our culture. People who are involved habitually in these sins will not be eager to come to Mass or be part of the Catholic Church.
My answer: Christians need to “take back” the entertainment media and produce excellent television, films, and music. This will be expensive, and it will be difficult, as many parents are hesitant to allow their children to become involved in “entertainment” because of the darkness and unwholesomeness of this mission field.
  1. ** Aggressive and appealing Evangelical Protestant evangelization**–my husband and I were evangelical Protestant for 47 years, and a huge percentage of our churches, probably close to around 50%, were former Catholics. The main attraction for Catholics was BIble-based teaching, especially freedom from “works”–salvation by faith alone. The second attraction was good fellowship and lots of friends–this is something that seems hard to find in modern Catholic parishes that no longer are “neighborhood” parishes.
My answer: I believe that apologetic ministries like Catholic Answers are helping, but I think that more aggressive catechesis needs to be offered in local parishes, especially for children. I suspect that many religious education programs are being taught by under-trained catechists who are using material from a hundred years ago. I think that much of the religious education curricula needs to be “Bible-based,” so that Catholic children and teenagers will be prepared to answer their evangelical Protestant friends.

I also think that all Catholic parishes should offer some kind of teenage and adult Bible study.

I realize that the Catholic Church does not teach that the Bible is the Authority for Christians. But since evangelical Protestant evangelization is so aggressive and appealing, Catholics HAVE to be trained to use the Bible correctly to answer evangelical Protestants.

I also think that Catholic parishes need to create opportunities for people to find friends and spend time with them in church-based activities (picnics, potlucks, social groups, musical programs, pilgrimages, singspirations, etc.). I think that priests need to encourage friendliness before and after the Mass in the lobby or fellowship hall, even though many Catholic church buildings are not designed to encourage conversation.
  1. Encroachment of U.S. government into everyday family life, especially higher and higher taxes at the local levels, making it necessary for both parents in a family to work outside of the home. This has resulted in a tremendous time crunch, which causes families to “cocoon” together on weekends, or to fall apart and become separate people living under the same roof. Also, when both parents work, it is harder for a couple to make a decision to have several children.
My answer: Vote for candidates that have a record of supporting the limited government outlined in the U.S. Constitution. Catholics need to stop voting according to the traditions of their family, and truly look at the candidates to see who is most likely to enact policies that will help create better families, not hurt families. The family is the basis of our civilization in the U.S.–anything that hurts the family will hurt the Church.
 
**IMHO
  1. Lack of belief in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist.
  2. Ditto
  3. Ditto
If Catholics believed in the Real Presence - nothing would or could keep them away. This is the main issue - everything else is just icing on the cake (great homilies, good music, and welcoming community).**
That was certainly the case with me. Once I realized that I didn’t sincerely believe in the Real Presence, everything else about the Mass became just empty ritual.
 
  1. the trend towards non-belief is accelerating, as people find other, more soundly-based explanations for the things that affect them
  2. more effective talking therapies and psychoactive drugs such as Prozac with few side effects are supplanting religion’s role as ‘the heart of a heartless world’
  3. media exposure of the Church as a human institution **like all others **that, for example, has to defend itself as abusing no more children than secular organisations, has undermined the authority and respect the Church needs to induce belief in many of its followers.
 
  1. Lack of good and proper catechism among the laity
  2. Lack of good and proper catechism among the laity
  3. Lack of good and proper catechism among the laity
Explain for instance what the Real Presence is and you’re already halfway there, I think.
 
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