"You're not listening to me"

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So this is a question from me as a young adult trying to work out a relationship with my mother. One thing that’s been constant is that she tells me, I’m not listening to her. It’s at the point where I’m frustrated and don’t know how to make her feel like I am listening. To me, it seems like I can’t disagree unless I’m “not listening” - or at least it’s so much effort trying to reassure her that I am listening that I can barely say anything of my own.

I’m just wondering - how do you go about making someone feel like they’re being listened to? I’m in a place where it feels like to me no matter what I do she feels like I’m not listening, and I don’t know how to handle it. It makes me feel upset and resentful because I feel like in order to be listening I can’t respond, too.
 
Can you post an example -real or created on a how conversation with your mom goes?
 
Can you post an example -real or created on a how conversation with your mom goes?
I’m not sure how much I can do. My memory’s probably not accurate enough to be fair to her. But here’s how I often feel conversations go:

Me: I’ve decided the best course of action is for me to take a bit of extra time finishing school, because I’m having trouble with my health.
Mom: You really need to finish up soon though. I’m worried about you getting farther behind.
Me: I understand that, but I think it’s a greater risk that if I keep trying to push my health could give out to where I can’t work.
Mom: But you really need to not get farther behind.
Me: I know this isn’t an ideal situation, but I think this is the best choice.
Mom: You’re not listening to me! You really need to not get farther behind!
 
Basically, my evaluation of the situation is, she feels like I’m not listening to her and am just going on with what I want. I feel like I can’t disagree or choose a path on my own without being accused of ignoring her. And I don’t know how to move forward.
 
I have a difficult relationship with my mom which is why I wanted an example. I’m reading a lot lately about communication. I learned an acronym called JADE -Justify, Argue Defend, Explain which is often what we do during conflict. And as adult children trying to be adults in our parents eyes we often do this too much. You are listening, its your mother who is not and it seems like unless you agree with what she wants “you’re not listening.” So how about this

Me: I’ve decided the best course of action is for me to take a bit of extra time finishing school, because I’m having trouble with my health.
Mom: You really need to finish up soon though. I’m worried about you getting farther behind.
Me: I appreciate your concern.

So what would be her response?
 
So this is a question from me as a young adult trying to work out a relationship with my mother. One thing that’s been constant is that she tells me, I’m not listening to her. It’s at the point where I’m frustrated and don’t know how to make her feel like I am listening. To me, it seems like I can’t disagree unless I’m “not listening” - or at least it’s so much effort trying to reassure her that I am listening that I can barely say anything of my own.

I’m just wondering - how do you go about making someone feel like they’re being listened to? I’m in a place where it feels like to me no matter what I do she feels like I’m not listening, and I don’t know how to handle it. It makes me feel upset and resentful because I feel like in order to be listening I can’t respond, too.
"Not listening’ often means, ‘Your not doing what I want you to do.’
 
In pre-cana we discussed the “you’re not listening to me” issue with your spouse. Perhaps it will help you! They told us if “you’re not listening to me” is a problem, we should “sound out the problem.” It goes like this:

Wife: I’m upset with you about xxx xxx xxx!!
Husband: I’m sorry you feel that way. What I’m hearing you say is you are upset about xxx yyyy xxx?
Wife: No that’s not what I’m saying at all!! I’m saying yyyy.
Husband: Ok, so you are saying, yyyy?
Wife: Yes exactly!!!
Husband: Well, I understand your concern about that, but this is why I believe…

When we repeat what the other person said, it allows them to 1) either correct our understanding of what we think we hear OR 2), more importantly, it lets them know that we have an understanding of their point of view and then prepares them to hear why we disagree.

Hope that is helpful!

JMR
 
I have a difficult relationship with my mom which is why I wanted an example. I’m reading a lot lately about communication. I learned an acronym called JADE -Justify, Argue Defend, Explain which is often what we do during conflict. And as adult children trying to be adults in our parents eyes we often do this too much. You are listening, its your mother who is not and it seems like unless you agree with what she wants “you’re not listening.” So how about this

Me: I’ve decided the best course of action is for me to take a bit of extra time finishing school, because I’m having trouble with my health.
Mom: You really need to finish up soon though. I’m worried about you getting farther behind.
Me: I appreciate your concern.

So what would be her response?
Probably to tell me to stop being so dismissive? Part of it is, she really does know all the conversation-enders like that and she doesn’t like them being used because she feels like she’s being dismissed when I use them. She might say “if you appreciate the concern then do something about it” or something like that.

And that’s the crux of the problem I think. If she doesn’t see me doing something to address what she’s concerned about she tends to think I’m not listening or am blowing her off. But in a lot of cases, I understand the concern but don’t think it’s a real problem, or understand it but (as in the example) don’t think there’s much I can do. But she just sees that I’m not doing anything to address what she’s brought up.

She’ll also pull out the I’m older/more experienced line, especially in cases where I’m saying I don’t think something is a problem. This comes up a lot in clothing discussions - I have a somewhat alternative style, modest, but she’s convinced it’s going to get me in trouble and can’t understand why I won’t change to something more “normal.” She’ll say something like, she’s seen how things work, if someone sees me like that I’ll get fired. And there’s not much I can say against the “I have more experience than you” line.
 
So this is a question from me as a young adult trying to work out a relationship with my mother. One thing that’s been constant is that she tells me, I’m not listening to her. It’s at the point where I’m frustrated and don’t know how to make her feel like I am listening. To me, it seems like I can’t disagree unless I’m “not listening” - or at least it’s so much effort trying to reassure her that I am listening that I can barely say anything of my own.

I’m just wondering -** how do you go about making someone feel like they’re being listened to?** I’m in a place where it feels like to me no matter what I do she feels like I’m not listening, and I don’t know how to handle it. It makes me feel upset and resentful because I feel like in order to be listening I can’t respond, too.
Okay, if you want someone to feel you are listening, understand, even if you end up disagreeing, begin by replying empathically.

I’ve never experimented with drugs in my entire life, once asked how to respond empathically to those who have used drugs. I was told to try to put myself in that person’s shoes, affirm that sentiment or emotion, paraphrase, summarize, etc. and reflect back the feeling.

You don’t need to condone something immoral, illegal, unethical to respond empathically.

For example…let’s continue with the substance abuse analogy. While I’ve never had a problem with illegal drugs, a couple of times I had where I became addicted to prescription medication. It literally caused me a lot of pain to withdraw from these. Once, I was on steroids for arthritis, and this was increased when I had kidney problems. I think the doctors pretty much forgot how much I was on, and on my own, I weaned myself off half a milligram at a time.

Another time, I had my neck fused, and I was using Lortab. Wow, I had a hard time withdrawing from it, again, was in pain, well due to the surgery. However, both these took the pain away, made me feel much better. When I was without, I felt miserable.

I draw from my own personal experience. If I have no personal experience, I go from what I’ve read, studied, others have told me on issues.

So again, if someone said, “Drugs make one feel really good!” Instead of trying to invalidate the emotions by saying, “No, they don’t!” You can say something like, “Yeah, one can feel great while using them” or something to that effect.

Now, one can shift the direction of this so as not to condone it, even so, and say although it feels good, it can also do…x, y, and z.

Same thing goes with having promiscuous sex. If the topic comes up, some move directly to saying it’s bad, and it is. However, what might be a more effective approach used by many professional counselors is to begin by responding empathically, to affirm that emotion, then go on to say whatever it is you want to say.

If someone says, “Well, that is so hard to resist!” Agree…say, it IS hard to resist…It does feel very good, etc. Affirm the emotion. You can even mirror that person’s body language, though not obviously.

People who are “in sync”, often do this subconsciously.

Nod at appropriate points to indicate you heard that. Say, “um huh”, “okay”. Develop “active listening skills” over passive.

Counselors have told me if they could only develop one skill, it would be** empathy**.

If someone says, “I want to take my life!” Start by affirming that emotion by saying, “You must be really feeling despair or tremendous sadness, desperation, hopelessness”.

If you respond, “Don’t feel that way!” “Don’t do that!” (that’s invalidating their feelings, and they won’t feel listened to, heard, loved, or cared about).

If you use empathy, I think you will find your relationships will begin to improve automatically. Then, say what you want, gently, with understanding.
 
I am trying. At the same time, I worry that there’s a unique difficult in the mother-daughter relationship here. I am an only child. I know my mother is deeply invested in me, and in seeing me succeed. At the same time, there are some areas where our criterion for success are different. There are also others where we disagree deeply on how to get there.

My concern is that I am trying to empathize, but I am also trying to bring the relationship to a place where we can relate as adults. And I often feel that in these matters she is still seeing me as a child in need of correction, and is frustrated and upset by my failure to accept her correction. And I’m really not sure how to handle that.

So basically the trouble is - I want to validate her thoughts and feelings, but I also want to validate my own choices as an independent adult. And I’m recognizing that sometimes my actions make her afraid for me, and I want to understand and validate that without letting it control my life.

That’s the hard part with empathy here, balancing it out with living out my own life. I see what she wants me to do, sometimes even that she’s upset or hurt by what I am doing, yet I also don’t think it’s right to stop just because of that.
 
Probably to tell me to stop being so dismissive? Part of it is, she really does know all the conversation-enders like that and she doesn’t like them being used because she feels like she’s being dismissed when I use them. She might say “if you appreciate the concern then do something about it” or something like that.
So your response could be to that.
“I’ve already made my decision.”
The point is you don’t have to keep justifying, arguing, explaining and defending your decisions. (I’m sure you’d like to say if your are really so worried you wouldn’t want my health in jeopardy -but that doesn’t change your mother’s mind -and is not productive.) You can’t change your mother, you can’t convince her you’re right so don’t keep frustrating yourself.
She’ll also pull out the I’m older/more experienced line
“I’ve already made my decision.”

You’re scared to to that I know. If she starts yelling “I can see your upset, I’m going to go now.” If you still live at home and/or financially dependent it may be more tricky because she can start the blackmail. So in that case, you will have to focus on becoming more independent so she can’t use money to control your decisions.

You really are listening. She is not. The only person you can change is yourself. You can not make her hear you if she chooses not to. I’m 41, trust me on that one.
 
I am trying. At the same time, I worry that there’s a unique difficult in the mother-daughter relationship here. I am an only child. I know my mother is deeply invested in me, and in seeing me succeed. At the same time, there are some areas where our criterion for success are different. There are also others where we disagree deeply on how to get there.

My concern is that I am trying to empathize, but I am also trying to bring the relationship to a place where we can relate as adults. And I often feel that in these matters she is still seeing me as a child in need of correction, and is frustrated and upset by my failure to accept her correction. And I’m really not sure how to handle that.

So basically the trouble is - I want to validate her thoughts and feelings, but I also want to validate my own choices as an independent adult. And I’m recognizing that sometimes my actions make her afraid for me, and I want to understand and validate that without letting it control my life.

That’s the hard part with empathy here, balancing it out with living out my own life. I see what she wants me to do, sometimes even that she’s upset or hurt by what I am doing, yet I also don’t think it’s right to stop just because of that.
Oh…sounds like more Transactional Analysis…that whole “I’m Okay, You’re Okay”.

Yes, you want adult-adult, and you are still in adult-child.

Have you read anything about “I’m Okay. You’re Okay”?
 
I have this problem with my mother, too! 😉

Ah!

I’ll turn 50 y.o., but because I have a disability, I think it puts me in a more dependent position which doesn’t help matters.
 
I am trying. At the same time, I worry that there’s a unique difficult in the mother-daughter relationship here. I am an only child. I know my mother is deeply invested in me, and in seeing me succeed. At the same time, there are some areas where our criterion for success are different. There are also others where we disagree deeply on how to get there.

My concern is that I am trying to empathize, but I am also trying to bring the relationship to a place where we can relate as adults. And I often feel that in these matters she is still seeing me as a child in need of correction, and is frustrated and upset by my failure to accept her correction. And I’m really not sure how to handle that.

So basically the trouble is - I want to validate her thoughts and feelings, but I also want to validate my own choices as an independent adult. And I’m recognizing that sometimes my actions make her afraid for me, and I want to understand and validate that without letting it control my life.

That’s the hard part with empathy here, balancing it out with living out my own life. I see what she wants me to do, sometimes even that she’s upset or hurt by what I am doing, yet I also don’t think it’s right to stop just because of that.
I’m an accidental only child because my sister passed away at 13. Being the only child left is heavy burden so trust me I do understand. You did not make the decision to be an only child -it is not your responsibility to carry out your mother’s dreams. You could make other comments such as “I don’t feel you’re hearing what I’m saying” , “I don’t feel you’re taking my health struggles into account.” But if she just keeps circling back to 'You’re not listening" then there’s no point in continuing to argue.

My daughter is an only child. I don’t want my daughter to feel I’m “deeply invested in her.” It’s her life, I want her to be happy, and healthy. She’s 18 right now. Actually I have to go right now so I’ll return to this conversation later.
 
DarkLight said:

“She might say “if you appreciate the concern then do something about it” or something like that.”

I had a suggestion but then I saw “I’ve already made a decision,” and I think that’s better than what I had. I think I’d add “mom” to the end to soften it a little.

“I am also trying to bring the relationship to a place where we can relate as adults.”

Don’t hold your breath waiting for that to happen. Living independently and supporting yourself may help to some extent, though. If you are financially or otherwise dependent on her, she’s not going to be able to see you as an adult.
 
I have this problem with my mother, too! 😉

Ah!

I’ll turn 50 y.o., but because I have a disability, I think it puts me in a more dependent position which doesn’t help matters.
Yeah. I was dependent on them for a lot longer because if ill health. It’s really frustrating because it does encourage people to treat you like a child. I hate how independence and maturity are so tied together in our society - it can really screw people with health problems over. I was probably more mature than many my age, yet because of health preventing me for a while from being self-supporting I got treated like a child (and I can’t count how many times I got told if I didn’t like it I’d find some way to support myself, or that I should not complain because it was better than welfare - I still stay out of some threads here over that attitude).

It’s hard to shift to the adult-adult model though, especially when (as I’ve noticed) we have some disagreements over what constitutes adult behavior. Dress has been one thing - she seems to have this persistent idea that it’s “childish” of me to have a mostly-black wardrobe favoring skirts or black pants and eschewing shorts altogether, especially citing one time I apparently did it “to annoy her”. So she sees me as being too “childish” to treat as an adult, even when I think my behavior is perfectly mature.
 
I’m not sure I can help you in your relationship, but I can tell you that when I was 53 years old, my Mom still gave me “orders” and treated me as if I were still 16 years old. I married at 53 to a widower, and she treated him as an adult, respectfully, and he was 9 1/2 years older than I. However, she still treated me as a kid. Fortunately, my husband told her I most certainly was NOT a child, but an adult able to make my own decisions and to have my own opinions. It minimized it, at least when he was around, but continued into my 60’s when I was visiting her without him (we lived about 3 miles apart from my parents). She always referred to me as “young”, even though I was even more gray haired than she was!

I think this is something that some mothers are stuck with – especially with daughters, and always see them as a “child”, no matter how old you get.
 
Try repeating what she said back to her and asking if you’ve got her point of view right. They explain yours. That tends to work for me. I have to field a lot of complaints where the person just wants to vent and doesn’t really have a solution for the percieved “problem”. Mostly, they just want someone to listen to them and if you are quiet long enough, they often find the solution to their own problem and you can say, “That’s a good idea!” and they feel good and move on.
 
It’s hard to shift to the adult-adult model though, especially when (as I’ve noticed) we have some disagreements over what constitutes adult behavior. Dress has been one thing - she seems to have this persistent idea that it’s “childish” of me to have a mostly-black wardrobe favoring skirts or black pants and eschewing shorts altogether, especially citing one time I apparently did it “to annoy her”. So she sees me as being too “childish” to treat as an adult, even when I think my behavior is perfectly mature.
This is something I’ve had a revelation about recently. I’m an adult. I don’t need my mother’s approval. You are an adult. What your mother views as adult behavior is her issue. The best way to become an adult in her eyes is not let her “parent” you as child.

Parents make decisions about way the way their young children dress they do not make decisions about the way their adult children dress. Getting into a discussion about her feelings about the way you dress is giving her permission to still have a say in how you dress -which makes you still a child in her eyes.

So your mother makes comments about the way you dress -do not justify, argue, defend or explain why you choose to dress the way you do. Doing that makes her feel she actually has an (name removed by moderator)ut and keeps her in the parenting role.
Mom “Dressing in all black is childish.”
You “I disagree.”
Mom “Mature adults don’t dress the way you do.”
You “My style of dress is not something I’m willing to discuss.”
Mom “I know you’re just doing it to annoy me.”
“I’ve already stated this topic is not up for discussion. I’m going to go now.”
“You’re not listening to me, your acting like a child.”
“Bye mom.”

You can’t change her, you can only change how you respond to her. You don’t need to prove to her your an adult, you just have believe in your mind that you are. The fact that you’ve had health issues may have carved out in your mother’s mind that her role is caretaker. She hasn’t realized her role has changed. You are not responsible for her feelings.
 
At the same time, there are some areas where our criterion for success are different. There are also others where we disagree deeply on how to get there.

I have the same issue with my mom. I just stopped talking to her about certain issues. In my case it would be marriage and family. BTW I’m late 30s. We still have a good relationship, I have just learned to manage boundaries.

My concern is that I am trying to empathize, but I am also trying to bring the relationship to a place where we can relate as adults.

Good luck, my mom is near 80 and she still feels like she knows what is best for me. She even tried to tell me how to do my job based on what friends of hers told her.

So basically the trouble is - I want to validate her thoughts and feelings, but I also want to validate my own choices as an independent adult. And I’m recognizing that sometimes my actions make her afraid for me, and I want to understand and validate that without letting it control my life.

I think the best thing for you to do is to make your own choices and not expect her to validate them. Just do what you think is best and then the ball is in her court, she either accepts that you are an adult or she doesn’t. In the end it’s really her struggle, not yours. You can’t make people think and feel the same way you do but you can at least expect her to respect your choices.
 
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