‘A Catholic case for same-sex marriage’

[edwest2]

A few words from Pope Benedict:

lifesitenews.com/news/popes-christmas-message-warns-gender-theory-is-a-denial-of-god-and-the-bibl/

Peace,
Ed

 

[aprilfloyd]

Extending marriage to allow gay marriage, in my opinion is to be welcomed. As someone raised a Catholic, I cannot bring myself to be bigoted towards homosexuals nor see them as anything other than normal

 

[Steveabrous]

Steveabrous;10371946:

If you read again what I said I never said homosexual sex can produce a child

But you said homosexuals can procreate. What’s the difference?

 

[buffalo]

Extending marriage to allow gay marriage, in my opinion is to be welcomed. As someone raised a Catholic, I cannot bring myself to be bigoted towards homosexuals nor see them as anything other than normal

That goes right against the Catechism.

Perhaps you forgot the part about - Love the sinner, hate the sin. True Christian charity demands fraternal correction. What they seek is license for their deviant acts. True freedom comes with responsibility. Followers of Christ must make an effort to get others to heaven. To simply look the other way or embrace fallacious arguments does not cut it. We will all be culpable when we see God.

So called homosexual marriage can never fulfill the purpose or design of real marriage.

 

[Elizabeth502]

???

i.e., Identifier, “Raised Catholic.”

That’s what I mean about Coming Home.

The Church wants you back, on God’s terms, not yours.

 

[aprilfloyd]

I read the link. It seems very muddled to me and does not take into account, that if the Catholic god created man, he also created homosexual men and all that entails

 

[aprilfloyd]

i.e., Identifier, “Raised Catholic.”

That’s what I mean about Coming Home.

The Church wants you back, on God’s terms, not yours.

I get, thanks. My struggle with my own Catholicism is that , to believe in a lot of its teachings, I would need to pretend I did. I would rather have no belief than a false genuine one. If that makes sense.

 

[Elizabeth502]

I read the link. It seems very muddled to me and does not take into account, that if the Catholic god created man, he also created homosexual men and all that entails

Floyd,
God is Order Itself. He is incapable of creating disorder. Homosexual attraction is a disordered attraction. It is not ordered to creation and does not conform to the natural law. Therefore, God did not “create” the disorder.

We all have many disorders. I have different ones than you or others. God didn’t create my disordered attractions, either. They are my responses, my coping mechanisms, my choices to act on my attractions. God is not responsible for any of that in me.

 

[Elizabeth502]

I get, thanks. My struggle with my own Catholicism is that , to believe in a lot of its teachings, I would need to pretend I did. I would rather have no belief than a false genuine one. If that makes sense.

Certainly I understand that you would not want to be a hypocrite, and for that I applaud you. We have plenty of Catholics already parading around as genuine, but who have hijacked the beliefs of the Church and replaced those with a heterodox set which has nothing in common with Catholicism.

I wasn’t suggesting that you return artificially, merely genuinely, when you can.

 

[aprilfloyd]

I read the link. It seems very muddled to me and does not take into account, that if the Catholic god created man, he also created homosexual men and all that entails

 

[buffalo]

I read the link. It seems very muddled to me and does not take into account, that if the Catholic god created man, he also created homosexual men and all that entails

The prototypical man was heterosexual. Sin entered the world. Concupiscence is now with us.

 

[aprilfloyd]

That goes right against the Catechism.

Perhaps you forgot the part about - Love the sinner, hate the sin. True Christian charity demands fraternal correction. What they seek is license for their deviant acts. True freedom comes with responsibility. Followers of Christ must make an effort to get others to heaven. To simply look the other way or embrace fallacious arguments does not cut it. We will all be culpable when we see God.

So called homosexual marriage can never fulfill the purpose or design of real marriage.

I do not see homosexuality a sin any more than heterosexuality.

 

[buffalo]

I do not see homosexuality a sin any more than heterosexuality.

Right - that is what we are working on.

Homosexuality is by itself not a sin. It is a condition. A same sex attracted is called upon to be chaste just like a heterosexual is called upon to be chaste.

We are speaking of the act. Biologically they are very different. Even you should be able to see this.

 

[adrift]

I read the link. It seems very muddled to me and does not take into account, that if the Catholic god created man, he also created homosexual men and all that entails

Please have the courtesy to capitalize the G in God.

 

[Iron_Donkey]

I read the link. It seems very muddled to me and does not take into account, that if the Catholic god created man, he also created homosexual men and all that entails

This is where the issue is, I think. God creates all men true. But just because God creates men, and that a man is generally a good thing (though now damaged), this does not mean that everything about a man is good. In a fallen world, the body can be born damaged, as can the mind (if indeed homosexuality is present from birth, which I doubt is generally the case but which ultimately doesn’t matter).

For example, God creates men who are born with no arms or legs. That does not mean that it is natural or good to have no arms or legs.

The person is no less created by God. The affliction is allowed by God, as in not prevented, but not, generally, directly willed by Him.

If a person has a built in tendency to get violent and break things whenever things don’t go his way, would you say that it is then acceptable for him to do so because God made him?

 

[Lochias]

Please have the courtesy to capitalize the G in God.

Yes, please. This makes three people whom you’ve ignored on the matter. Are you as bigoted as you claim others are, or are you able to use the Shift key to show a little common courtesy on a Catholic website?

A simple Yes or No will do, please.

 

[aprilfloyd]

I have replied to this before, it is correct English to use god as in Greek gods, modern gods, etc. God is used when using it as the name for a specific god - the Christian god
It has always been confusing, the obvious way around it would be to say Catholic God to distinguish from other gods. I use god as I am talking in the noun sense and not the name. Hope that makes sense.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

**Please have the courtesy to capitalize the G in God. **

Forget it. This is hopelessly insulting, like most people who hate the Catholic Church.

Remember the title of Christopher Hitchens hateful book?

god Is Not Great: How Religion Spoils Everything

Every word in caps but God.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

april

I have replied to this before, it is correct English to use god as in Greek gods, modern gods, etc. God is used when using it as the name for a specific god - the Christian god
It has always been confusing, the obvious way around it would be to say Catholic God to distinguish from other gods. I use god as I am talking in the noun sense and not the name. Hope that makes sense

So when you refer to Zeus or Athena, would you insist on “zeus” and “athena”?

Whew!

 

[adrift]

I have replied to this before, it is correct English to use god as in Greek gods, modern gods, etc. God is used when using it as the name for a specific god - the Christian god
It has always been confusing, the obvious way around it would be to say Catholic God to distinguish from other gods. I use god as I am talking in the noun sense and not the name. Hope that makes sense.

Obviously those here see this as being rude. Here we do not capitalize gods that refer to the pagan variety. But when you say Catholic and then have a small g for God you are not only be rude but disrespectful. You can make all the excuses about it being correct English but you are wrong. How can we respect what you are saying when you are rude. Your words become dust.