‘A Catholic case for same-sex marriage’

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Jesus overturned the Hebrew code by saying there were only two laws, love God and love each other. The old laws were fulfilled through his death and his resurrection.
Nope. Again, a Scripture scholar you are clearly not. The Two Great Commandments contain (do not replace) the Torah. Jesus explained how that was true in some detail, in the Gospels, and especially in depth in Matthew 5.
 
Nope. Again, a Scripture scholar you are clearly not. The Two Great Commandments contain (do not replace) the Torah. Jesus explained how that was true in some detail, in the Gospels, and especially in depth in Matthew 5.
I never claimed I was a scripture scholar but thanks for reminding me. 😉

Yes, he fulfilled it. Voila! So why are the old laws that important anymore?
 
How is this even a thing still? why are we even debating it?

Here’s the reality(and lets for fun pretend god and the church do not exists):

You have man, durable able to reproduce on the fly. Has a on average stronger upper muscle match (don’t bring up exceptions because they are exceptions for a reason.)

Women, higher pain tolerance, only able to reproduce 3 days out of the month with a 9 month term before birth. Not rendering the women helpless but the saying ‘it takes a village to raise a child’ is a thing for a reason.

You have both of these (for lack a better term and comic relief) sub species of human get together and make the foundation of a family. Man goes and makes bread women takes care of affairs at home. How is ultimately not ultimately important.

Children watch interactions between man and moment both for reference on how to treat those around them and for reference how one treats the other sex.

This is the core functioning family. The default blue print if only because it works. Exceptions can be made but those again as stated above are exceptions and not the norm.

If children made bread and mom and dad stayed at home there would be no learning curve for the child. If mom made bread and father stays at home the odds of reproduction diminish or if the mother is with child cuts down on her available activities and forces man back out the door to make bread. Not to mentions depending on types of bread winning aka employment may put mother at risk to compromise the pregnancy.

You can bark about women’s rights and gay rights and the rights of everyone under the sun but at the end of the day the above formula is the established norm for a functioning home and society.👍

You brake that too frequently your equation gets screwed up.:eek:

God is a being of common sense he told the Jews not to eat pork not because He regrets making pigs but because at the time it was unhealthy. You could safely eat pork but the odds that you could do so frequently were slim.

In the same way homosexuality doesn’t serve the community blue print fully stop. Like anything I suppose it works in rare occasions but yet again we call that an exception not the rule.

If its not broke, don’t fix it!:rolleyes:
You’ve managed to also say women that have jobs are just not fitting in with the ‘community blue print’ and that they should just conform. This is a good start…

I’m not arguing homosexuality can produce children, I’m arguing that it’s natural-You’re born with it because God made you that way/loves you that way. Therefore why are so many Christians homophobic/believe it is wrong.
 
I am well aware much of what Jesus said and did was not recorded but the fact remains he never condemned homosexuality.

Is your claim that anything specifically not mentioned is therefore either false/wrong.

Men make mistakes. I hold Jesus’s words on the matter above others. Oh wait! He’s never recorded as having talked about it.
He never used the word trinity, or bible. Why do you believe these?
 
You’ve managed to also say women that have jobs are just not fitting in with the ‘community blue print’ and that they should just conform. This is a good start…

I’m not arguing homosexuality can produce children, I’m arguing that it’s natural-You’re born with it because God made you that way/loves you that way. Therefore why are so many Christians homophobic/believe it is wrong.
Why didn’t God create Adam and Eve and Steve to be one big loving family?
 
Because they record the word of God. We’re talking about what someone said and what collected what someone said.
Well now you have resorted to making your own choice on who was inspired and who was not, who was protected by the Holy Spirit and who was not. Qualifications please.
 
Why didn’t God create Adam and Eve and Steve to be one big loving family?
That’s one of the worst arguments the anti-equal marriage campaign has put out.

Because at the beginning of the world there was a need for offspring and so a man and a woman were required. Nowadays the population’s at pretty stable levels. Doesn’t mean homosexuality was unnatural at the time, doesn’t mean it was now, doesn’t mean it was ever.
 
Well now you have resorted to making your own choice on who was inspired and who was not, who was protected by the Holy Spirit and who was not. Qualifications please.
I’m confused by your question.
 
That’s one of the worst arguments the anti-equal marriage campaign has put out.

Because at the beginning of the world there was a need for offspring and so a man and a woman were required. Nowadays the population’s at pretty stable levels. Doesn’t mean homosexuality was unnatural at the time, doesn’t mean it was now, doesn’t mean it was ever.
Ok - this admission is a start. If there were only Adam and Eve who on earth would Adam be looking for? :hmmm: It was already clear the animals were out for him. Therefore God created Eve. She was complementary.

Homosexuality clearly began after the fall.

God created the plumbing to be complementary. It only works between male and female.
 
You’ve managed to also say women that have jobs are just not fitting in with the ‘community blue print’ and that they should just conform. This is a good start…

I’m not arguing homosexuality can produce children, I’m arguing that it’s natural-You’re born with it because God made you that way/loves you that way. Therefore why are so many Christians homophobic/believe it is wrong.
God made me mildly bi-polar. If I were to give in to the impulses of my disorder, then - assuming I were even still alive - I would be a homeless, alcoholic drug addict. Is my disorder natural? Yes. Can it be cured? No. Does this mean that God wants me to be a homeless drug addict? Of course not.

Yes, Christ loves us as we are. He also calls us to repent of our sins, take up our cross, and follow him. He doesn’t call us to remain in our sins, let alone rejoice in them.
 
Ok - this admission is a start. If there were only Adam and Eve who on earth would Adam be looking for? :hmmm: It was already clear the animals were out for him. Therefore God created Eve. She was complementary.

Homosexuality clearly began after the fall.

God created the plumbing to be complementary. It only works between male and female.
Homosexuality did not begin before the fall-it was happening amongst animals before the fall I’m sure.

I don’t deny that the plumbing only works between males and females. I’ve never denied that?
 
What are your qualifications to decide what is inspired text and what is not?
I don’t have any qualifications. I look at what God and Jesus said, and use common sense. I also don’t live in the middle ages.
 
Kingdom

**Yet if the infertile couple was performing this act in the hope of children it would be pointless, not pointless in pleasure however and homosexual acts are focused around pleasure. **

So sodomy is O.K. because it is pleasurable? Does the Anglican Church teach this?
 
God made me mildly bi-polar. If I were to give in to the impulses of my disorder, then - assuming I were even still alive - I would be a homeless, alcoholic drug addict. Is my disorder natural? Yes. Can it be cured? No. Does this mean that God wants me to be a homeless drug addict? Of course not.

Yes, Christ loves us as we are. He also calls us to repent of our sins, take up our cross, and follow him. He doesn’t call us to remain in our sins, let alone rejoice in them.
Yes, but you’re missing the point-love isn’t a sin!
 
Homosexuality did not begin before the fall-it was happening amongst animals before the fall I’m sure.
So, you were there to watch animals perform sodomy on each other in the Garden of Eden? Do you know how ridiculous your position is beginning to sound?
I don’t deny that the plumbing only works between males and females. I’ve never denied that?
If it only works between males and females, then trying to get it to work between two males or two females is unnatural.
 
Baloney. You see animals in the wild eating their own young, and Jesus didn’t specifically condemn that, so by your own strange logic, eating our children should be a-ok with God.
What? This is the strangest argument I’ve ever seen. I never said just because he didn’t specifically condemn it, it was OK. You can not specifically talk about something and it can still be OK. It just happens that homosexuality is not a sin, is natural and God loves heterosexuals and homosexuals equally, all made in his image.
 
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