‘A Catholic case for same-sex marriage’

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Lochias said:
So, you were there to watch animals perform sodomy on each other in the Garden of Eden? Do you know how ridiculous your position is beginning to sound?

If it only works between males and females, then trying to get it to work between two males or two females is unnatural.
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I never said I was there. I just stated a very likely fact of nature.

Not it is not unnatural. Being born is not unnatural.
 
Elizabeth502 said:
But sexual perversion is a sin.

And the love which emanates from emotion does not allow all behavior.

Parents love their children, but incest is an abominable sin.
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Yes but-

a) Homosexuality is not sexual perversion.
 
TheKingdomOfGod said:
I don’t have any qualifications. I look at what God and Jesus said, and use common sense. I also don’t live in the middle ages.
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Ahhh - modernity at its best. We are smarter than our ancestors. :hmmm:

Truth remains no matter the age. What changes is arrogance.

So my common sense can be equal to yours even though we are diametrically opposed?

By appointing yourself as a personal interpreter of Scripture does not serve truth.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
Kingdom

**Yet if the infertile couple was performing this act in the hope of children it would be pointless, not pointless in pleasure however and homosexual acts are focused around pleasure. **

So sodomy is O.K. because it is pleasurable? Does the Anglican Church teach this?
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Why has this turned into an attack on the ‘Anglican Church’, which by the way there’s no such thing.

I never said sodomy was OK, but you seem to be believing that homosexuality is sodomy-this is where we are having our misunderstanding.
 
TheKingdomOfGod said:
What? This is the strangest argument I’ve ever seen. I never said just because he didn’t specifically condemn it, it was OK. You can not specifically talk about something and it can still be OK.
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And likewise, you can not specifically talk about something and it can still NOT be ok. All of the historical, logical and spiritual evidence points to homosexual acts being a sin. Anyone who says otherwise is either misinformed or lying to themselves.
It just happens that homosexuality is not a sin, is natural and God loves heterosexuals and homosexuals equally, all made in his image.
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Merely being homosexual is not a sin, agreed. It is only natural in the same way that depression or cancer are “natural”, however. A person with same-sex attraction is just as much in the image of God as is a person born with only one arm.
 
Kingdom

**I never claimed I was a scripture scholar but thanks for reminding me.

Yes, he fulfilled it. Voila! So why are the old laws that important anymore? **

They are important because Jesus refers to them constantly.

When he was searching for something evil to compare with the evil intent of those who denied the good news he had come to preach, this is what he said:

“Whoever will not receive you or listen to your words–go outside that house or town and shake the dust from your feet. I tell you the truth, the wicked cities of Sodom and Gomorrah will be better off than such a town on the judgment day.” Matthew 10:14

We know very well what wickedness Jesus was talking about. The same wickedness that Paul talked about.

Romans 1:18-32:

“The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness. For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them. Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. While claiming to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes. Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity."
 
TheKingdomOfGod said:
I never said I was there. I just stated a very likely fact of nature.
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How many Garden of Edens have you been to, to call that fact “likely”?

Not it is not unnatural. Being born is not unnatural.

No one said being born was unnatural. Now you’re simply not making any sense at all.
 
Kingdom

Why has this turned into an attack on the ‘Anglican Church’, which by the way there’s no such thing.

I am not attacking the Anglican Church. You are supposed to be an Anglican. I am asking you if the Anglican Church teaches that sodomy is natural. Do you know or don’t you?
 
buffalo said:
Ahhh - modernity at its best. We are smarter than our ancestors. :hmmm:

Truth remains no matter the age. What changes is arrogance.

So my common sense can be equal to yours even though we are diametrically opposed?

By appointing yourself as a personal interpreter of Scripture does not serve truth.
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The Old testament condones and in some cases encourages slavery for children, stoning for those who work on Sundays, death for those who touch the skin of a dead pig, death by stoning for those who plant different crops next to each other and the burning of those who wear clothes made from two different threads.

Yes-we are sometimes smarter than our ancestors.

Truth doesn’t change but what people perceived as the truth does change.
 
Lochias said:
And likewise, you can not specifically talk about something and it can still NOT be ok. All of the historical, logical and spiritual evidence points to homosexual acts being a sin. Anyone who says otherwise is either misinformed or lying to themselves.

Or just using logic and common sense.

Merely being homosexual is not a sin, agreed. It is only natural in the same way that depression or cancer are “natural”, however. A person with same-sex attraction is just as much in the image of God as is a person born with only one arm.

Or natural in the same way you and I are both straight.
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TheKingdomOfGod said:
The Old testament condones and in some cases encourages slavery for children, stoning for those who work on Sundays, death for those who touch the skin of a dead pig, death by stoning for those who plant different crops next to each other and the burning of those who wear clothes made from two different threads.

Yes-we are sometimes smarter than our ancestors.
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The arrogance of this post is awe-inspiring. You are in desperate need of a Bible and Church History 101 class.
Truth doesn’t change but what people perceived as the truth does change.
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Then you agree that Truth doesn’t change. Therefore, people need to keep their perceptions in line with the Truth, as presented by Jesus Christ and the Church that he founded.
 
Lochias said:
How many Garden of Edens have you been to, to call that fact “likely”?

Not it is not unnatural. Being born is not unnatural.
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No one said being born was unnatural. Now you’re simply not making any sense at all.

Neither are you.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
Kingdom

Why has this turned into an attack on the ‘Anglican Church’, which by the way there’s no such thing.

I am not attacking the Anglican Church. You are supposed to be an Anglican. I am asking you if the Anglican Church teaches that sodomy is natural. Do you know or don’t you?
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The Church of England usually doesn’t get this hung up on people’s sex lives, in the way the Catholic church does.

But I would imagine they would not see it as natural.

But then again, as I have said so many times, homosexuality is not sodomy.
 
TheKingdomOfGod said:
The Church of England usually doesn’t get this hung up on people’s sex lives, in the way the Catholic church does.

But I would imagine they would not see it as natural.

But then again, as I have said so many times, homosexuality is not sodomy.
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You’re dodging the question. Gonna answer it or no?

Does the Anglican Church teach that sodomy is natural?
 
Lochias said:
The arrogance of this post is awe-inspiring. You are in desperate need of a Bible and Church History 101 class.

What is arrogant about it? The Bible does condone all of those things.

Then you agree that Truth doesn’t change. Therefore, people need to keep their perceptions in line with the Truth, as presented by Jesus Christ and the Church that he founded.

No people need to perceive the real truth as best they can.
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Lochias said:
You’re dodging the question. Gonna answer it or no?

Does the Anglican Church teach that sodomy is natural?
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I did answer it.

‘But I would imagine they would not see it as natural.’

P.S-The ‘Anglican Church’ is not a Church.
 
TheKingdomOfGod said:
I see this has turned into a great intellectual debate.
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Well, you’re not bringing a lot to the field for us to work with, to be honest. Just a lot of blanket accusations and self-imposed “rules”. So far, homosexual sex isn’t sodomy and you know exactly what the animals in the Garden of Eden were doing to each other.

Care to take a step back and try again?
 
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