‘Chappaquiddick’ Is A Brutally Honest Movie Laying Bare The Kennedys For Who

[Pup7]

Once you figure it out it’s actually less awkward than a quote button.

 

[ConstantLearner]

This guy’s way too melodramatic, and obviously hates any Kennedy no matter what he or she does. I prefer more neutral people, who don’t color the facts with their personal agendas. I can form my own opinions.

Kennedy was probably heading for a tryst with Kopechne, but it was consensual. She did not say “no,” as she could have. I certainly don’t think Kennedy wanted her to die. He might have made a cursory effort to save her, but people will almost always save themselves unless the other person is a loved one. I believe it was a tragic accident, with both Kennedy and Kopechne to blame. He should have reported the accident immediately, an autopsy should have been performed on Kopechne (ME is guilty of being greedy, probably). I don’t buy the “pocket of air” in the backseat theory for one second. If that existed, why didn’t Kopechne roll down a window and swim out? Money talks, that’s for sure. And, as I stated above, “sexcapades” matter - the Kennedys’, Trump’s, anyone’s.

 

[straykat]

Here, we still open doors for strangers and stop to help with accidents.

Not sure what Darwinian wasteland you live in, but you have my sympathies.

edit: The fact that this movie is popular enough to even get made should tell you I’m not alone.

 

[ConstantLearner]

Not sure what Darwinian wasteland you live in, but you have my sympathies.

No sympathy required. I live in Los Angeles, in the Hollywood Hills. Around my neighborhood we don’t condone the behavior of women who go somewhere to have a sexual tryst with a married man and father.

What was he to do except report the accident sooner? And he is guilty of not doing that. That’s a simple fact. He admitted it. He asked the people of Massachusetts to decide if he should resign. They said “no.”

There is always a market for tabloid trash. I do not disagree about that.

Again, proof that “sexcapades” matter, including our current president’s. There are no exceptions.

 

[straykat]

No sympathy required. I live in Los Angeles, in the Hollywood Hills. Around my neighborhood we don’t condone the behavior of women who go somewhere to have a sexual tryst with a married man and father.

What was he to do except report the accident sooner? And he is guilty of not doing that. That’s a simple fact. He admitted it. He asked the people of Massachusetts to decide if he should resign. They said “no.”

Again, proof that “sexcapades” matter, including our current president’s.

The fact that he delayed reporting shows just the extent how neglectful he was in the first place. I doubt he even tried to save her, just because his later action demonstrates he wasn’t in any rush to report.

Go ahead and focus on sex if you want. That’s not my problem.

 

[MonteRCMS]

She could have said, “God, help me” before she died and it would have been enough.

[Remember the lesson from Divine Mercy Sunday.]

AND, before he died Senator Ted Kennedy went to confession. He even wrote a book about it, but his friends suppressed the book.

 

[ConstantLearner]

The fact that he delayed reporting shows just the extent how neglectful he was in the first place. I doubt he even tried to save her, just because his later action demonstrates he wasn’t in any rush to report.

I think he probably made a cursory attempt, but was too panicked to continue. He is definitely guilty of leaving the scene of an accident. Any more is a matter of personal opinion. It was a tragedy, but a preventable one by both Kennedy and Kopechne.

 

[RandomAlias]

I put some blame on Mary Jo herself for seemingly being willing to engage in a tryst with a married man. If that was, indeed, the case, she wasn’t an “innocent” victim.

Your rash judgement and victim-blame are astonishing. For me, this is the most repugnant and saddest post so far in this thread.

 

[ConstantLearner]

AND, before he died Senator Ted Kennedy went to confession. He even wrote a book about it, but his friends suppressed the book.

Gossip, nothing but gossip, unless you can provide a credible source for that rather dramatic claim.

 

[ConstantLearner]

Your rash judgement and victim-blame are astonishing. For me, this is the most repugnant and saddest post so far in this thread.

The victim is to blame along with Kennedy. No one has ever even remotely hinted that he forced her into the car.

Strange that you think I hold a would-be fornicator partially culpable “sadder” than even the fact that a person is dead! I thought Catholics did not condone fornication by anyone. Am I wrong? Was I led astray, and it’s really okay?

And there’s no “rush to judgment?” LOL Do you think today is the first time I’ve heard about this? I’ve been reading books about it for years.

 

[straykat]

Even Jesus placed matters of life and death over sexual sins (famous story of the woman who was about to get stone come to mind). I just find this whole sexual thing as secondary, at best. What’s more disappointing is Kennedy’s neglect.

 

[ConstantLearner]

The “sexual thing” is primary in this case. It led to Kopechne’s death. If she would have stayed out of that car, she’d probably still be alive. I’m sure Kennedy didn’t crash into the water on purpose and put his own life at risk. It’s so easy to say, “No, I don’t have trysts with married fathers.” I feel bad for her and her family, but all the evidence indicates she was a willing participant.

 

[straykat]

If God punishing a sexual tryst was all that I should keep in mind, the glaring thing that sticks out to me is why did God punish her, then save the coward who was just as guilty, probably neglected to help, and then neglected to report.

 

[ConstantLearner]

Another layer of baloney. I was around for the Chappaquiddick incident. Research clearly shows that Ted Kennedy was not to blame. Bringing up the other Kennedys is not relevant here.

Yes, you’re right, and this is not a “brutally honest” movie. The writer had an agenda and comes to conclusions he tries to force on people. That alone makes it dishonest. I prefer “just the facts” and then be allowed to make up my own mind.

 

[straykat]

That a guy supposedly had an “agenda” and managed to get a major film greenlighted in Hollywood, of all places, is pretty remarkable in itself (I mean, a film about Kennedy, that is). Most Kennedy stories are childish mythmaking, “Camelot” junk.

 

[ConstantLearner]

If God punishing a sexual tryst was all that I should keep in mind, the glaring thing that sticks out to me is why did God punish her, then save the coward who was just as guilty, probably neglected to help, and then neglected to report.

Why do innocent babies develop cancer? Why do they suffer and die? Why do many criminals prosper? I don’t know. The world is a dangerous and brutal place. I, myself, don’t think what happened was “punishment.” It was a tragic accident.

 

[Pup7]

I don’t buy the “pocket of air” in the backseat theory for one second. If that existed, why didn’t Kopechne roll down a window and swim out? Money talks, that’s for sure. And, as I stated above, “sexcapades” matter - the Kennedys’, Trump’s, anyone’s.

You do realize that the force required to push open a metal car door against that much water is well beyond what most people are capable of, right? Or because of where the pocket was the window was unreachable?

How about human panic?

It’s completely plausible. If she had just enough space to keep her head above water, she could breathe until the O2 was gone, or the car shifted and sank, or she succumbed to exposure. “Air pocket” doesn’t mean the whole car was one.

 

[ConstantLearner]

That a guy supposedly had an “agenda” and managed to get a major film greenlighted in Hollywood, of all places, is pretty remarkable in itself (I mean, a film about Kennedy, that is). Most Kennedy stories are childish mythmaking, “Camelot” junk.

Of course he did! No surprise there! As I said before, people eat up tabloid trash like the food supply is ending.

 

[straykat]

Still not sure how that explains God’s supposed preference for neglectful cowards.

If this was supposed to be some big punishment for sexual sin, or a lesson to others, then no one learned anything.

 

[ConstantLearner]

I, myself, don’t think it’s a punishment for anything. I think it was a tragic accident, and your opinion of Kennedy being a “coward” is opinion only. I hope you know that. We will never know the true facts of the incident.