‘Chappaquiddick’ Is A Brutally Honest Movie Laying Bare The Kennedys For Who

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Yeah, it’s my opinion, and I happily stand behind it. Not reporting the accident right away makes it easy.
 
Pup7 said:
You do realize that the force required to push open a metal car door against that much water is well beyond what most people are capable of, right? Or because of where the pocket was the window was unreachable?
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How then, did Kennedy get out? And yes, I know doors can’t be opened. No one knows if there was a pocket of air or where it was if it existed. The investigation was shoddy and inadequate.
 
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If the car went in her side first, that’s easy to figure out.

We also don’t know if she was conscious.
 
ConstantLearner said:
The “sexual thing” is primary in this case.
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What is sad about this thread is the lack of charity and the assumption of a sexual tryst as you call it, based on innuendo and expectations and no evidence.
from CCC 2477: He becomes guilty of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor.

and 2478: To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor’s thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way.
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When it sank, it very well could’ve. Physics is a weird thing. Things hit the water and turn.

We weren’t there.
 
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RandomAlias said:
What is sad about this thread is the lack of charity and the assumption of a sexual tryst as you call it, based on innuendo and expectations and no evidence.
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If she didn’t intend to return to the party, why did she leave her purse and her hotel room keys at the scene of the party?

And if she intended no sexual tryst, then Kennedy didn’t, either. He was telling the truth when he said she asked him to drop her at his hotel.

I think they both intended a sexual tryst; therefore, both are culpable.
 
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Pup7 said:
We weren’t there.
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But we have the testimony of the fishermen who spotted the car. And no autopsy was performed on Kopechne; therefore, the assertion that she died from suffocation is only one man’s opinion. It was never proven.
 
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I think your standards for evidence are lower than mine.
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I think they’re a lot higher. I will not condemn someone without evidence, You seem to want to condemn Kennedy simply because he was a Kennedy. I want facts first. Unbiased ones.

Yes, some Kennedys were adulterers, but none of them have ever been proven to be killers. And why on earth would Kennedy want to kill Kopechne? He wouldn’t. Oh, I don’t think he took a wrong turn. He was too familiar with the area. I think the two were headed for a sexual tryst, and Kennedy crashed into the water. Then shock and panic set in. I think he was negligent. He admitted he was. I think it was tragic Kopechne died. Very sorry she did. I don’t think anyone was being punished by God. Even her parents did not sue Kennedy after he admitted his negligence.
 
RandomAlias said:
What is sad about this thread is the lack of charity and the assumption of a sexual tryst as you call it, based on innuendo and expectations and no evidence.
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I think there is a lack of charity shown to Kennedy by the assumption that he, an accident victim, couldn’t possibly have suffered concussion, shock, and panic that clouded his thinking.

If there was no intention of sex, what did Kennedy have to gain by waiting to call police? It hurt his political aspirations. Either a consensual tryst was planned or Kennedy really was suffering from concussion, shock, and panic.
 
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Please, people get in accidents often, and still report it as soon as they can.

What makes him the precious snowflake?
 
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If you’re directing that to me, you haven’t read my posts, which explains a lot of yours to me.

I’ve said many times he was negligent for not reporting the accident sooner. Even he said he was, for goodness sake!

How did he get our of the car? Why did Kopechne leave her purse and keys at the party if she was innocent and just wanted a ride to the hotel? Why did she not tell the other girls she was going back to the hotel?

Facts speak for themselves at times.
 
I’ve read your posts, but you still make some excuses for him that confound me. That’s why I reply.
 
ConstantLearner said:
I think they’re a lot higher. I will not condemn someone without evidence, You seem to want to condemn Kennedy simply because he was a Kennedy. I want facts first. Unbiased ones.
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I am not condemning anyone. An accident occurred. What I mean to say regarding evidence is:
  • I myself do not speculate about another’s sexual intentions
  • I try to respect the reputations of others at all times
  • If there were a need to speculate, I would require evidence of a more direct nature
I have little patience for arguments based on scenarios that, in someone’s opinion, have the ring of truth – scenarios that just seem like they ought to be true. To me it merely says that the scenario meets the accuser’s low expectations for his or her neighbor. In other words, rash judgement.
 
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That last statement you made about his neglect… where you said maybe he was just confused or dazed. Lots of people get in accidents. They don’t neglect to this level. And I asked, what makes him so special?
 
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ConstantLearner said:
The “sexual thing” is primary in this case. It led to Kopechne’s death. If she would have stayed out of that car, she’d probably still be alive. I’m sure Kennedy didn’t crash into the water on purpose and put his own life at risk. It’s so easy to say, “No, I don’t have trysts with married fathers.” I feel bad for her and her family, but all the evidence indicates she was a willing participant.
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If he’d been a half-decent man, he wouldn’t have abandoned her to save his own skin and “reputation”. Never mind whatever they were doing or planned to do, that’s irrelevant to the fact that he left her to die. She was the victim.

I would bet that if Mary-Jo had managed to get out and Kennedy had been the one trapped, she’d have made a call to the authorities as soon as she could. I’d sincerely hope we’d all do that, even if it would cause us personal embarrassment.
 
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