‘Chappaquiddick’ Is A Brutally Honest Movie Laying Bare The Kennedys For Who

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For some people on CAF, such incidents do matter when they pertain to Democrats. They do not matter when they pertain to Trump. 😛
 
DeniseNY said:
Had he tried to rescue her or told authorities immediately that there had been an accident, she could have been saved. He chose to leave her in an underwater tomb. That is the bottom line.
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No, it’s not the bottom line. Since no autopsy was performed, no one can really say whether or not she could have been saved. Everyone should report an accident immediately, no argument there. He was negligent, but without an autopsy, no one, not even a pathologist, can say whether or not his negligence contributed to her death or whether she could have been saved.

I’m glad you’re not a judge!
 
Right. And he had the presence of mind to complain about noise at his hotel keeping him awake. Poor Teddy.
 
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For some people on CAF, such incidents do matter when they pertain to Democrats. They do not matter when they pertain to Trump. 😛
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That’s true. Trump has never been accused of “catting around,” even though he, himself admits to it with a certain sense of pride!
 
I’ve never heard anyone deny that about Trump’s character. He’s been known for that since I was a little kid, in the 80s.

What he isn’t known for is Chappaquiddick.
 
DeniseNY said:
Right. And he had the presence of mind to complain about noise at his hotel keeping him awake. Poor Teddy.
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I see a “rush to judgment” because he was a Democrat and a man. You do know Kopechne was a Democrat, too, right? And if Kennedy was “catting around” then Kopechne was a willing partner? She left with him, according to the testimony of all observers, of her own accord, leaving her purse and keys at the party.
 
Where did I at anytime mention Democrat or bring politics into it. This isn’t about Democrat or Republican, this is about a US Senator leaving a woman in a car after an accident that he caused. The lack of morality of that is the same regardless of political party. And it’s really, really a stretch to make this a man vs woman thing. Unless you somehow believe MJK was driving the car…

And besides, Ted said in his statement that there was nothing untoward going on or planned when he drove off with her. If he lied about that, why do you trust him to tell the truth about anything else?
 
Politics is so petty in light of the situation. People care about his neglect. Not politics.

It’s the same reason people shake their heads, when they hear of news from big cities, how a body was left to lie dying in plain sight or a woman was being assaulted, and no one rushed to help. The rest of the country doesn’t like this selfish behavior, regardless of the politics.
 
straykat said:
Politics is so petty in light of the situation. People care about his neglect. Not politics.

It’s the same reason people shake their heads, when they hear of news from big cities, how a body was left to lie dying in plain sight or a woman was being assaulted, and no one rushed to help. The rest of the country doesn’t like this selfish behavior, regardless of the politics.
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Murder of Kitty Genovese. In the early hours of March 13, 1964, 28-year-old American bar manager Kitty Genovese was stabbed to death outside her apartment building in Kew Gardens, a neighborhood in the New York City borough of Queens.
 
Whether it contributes or not is practically a moot point, because he immediately violated the law: you get in a wreck, you call the cops. He didn’t.

That casts aspersions on exactly what he was thinking at the time. He then discussed what happened, was told to call the cops, and didn’t.

The reality is the whole thing was handled wrong from the start - no matter who was going with whom to do what, he didn’t call the cops and ran from the scene of an accident. Had he done so - even if she was unconscious or dead - the story would end differently. I don’t care what they were headed off to do. He broke the law.
 
DeniseNY said:
And besides, Ted said in his statement that there was nothing untoward going on or planned when he drove off with her. If he lied about that, why do you trust him to tell the truth about anything else?
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I don’t trust anyone in politics. That’s why I insist on facts then form my own opinion.
 
I agree with you, he should have phoned the police immediately. He broke the law by leaving the scene and not informing police till morning. I don’t, however, rule out the possible fact that concussion, too much alcohol, shock, and panic clouded his judgment. Does that absolve him from blame? No. It mitigates it somewhat, but does not absolve it. I’ve never said he wasn’t to blame or wasn’t doing wrong. He was. I just said Kopechne was, too, and I don’t like biased movies or movies about actual incidents in which the writer has an agenda as this one is.
 
ConstantLearner said:
I agree with you, he should have phoned the police immediately. He broke the law by leaving the scene and not informing police till morning. I don’t, however, rule out the possible fact that concussion, too much alcohol, shock, and panic clouded his judgment. Does that absolve him from blame? No. It mitigates it somewhat, but does not absolve it. I’ve never said he wasn’t to blame or wasn’t doing wrong. He was. I just said Kopechne was, too, and I don’t like biased movies or movies about actual incidents in which the writer has an agenda as this one is.
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His friends should have made sure the cops were called.

No matter how addled he was, their lack of action in not making sure the cops were notified cost Kennedy the presidency.
 
MonteRCMS said:
No matter how addled he was, their lack of action in not making sure the cops were notified cost Kennedy the presidency.
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No one will ever know. He chose not to run. Probably a good choice on his part, considering what happened to his brothers. “Catting around” didn’t hurt Trump in the least, though the Evangelicals are getting upset about it now.

The thing that is known is that one is obligated to notify the police in case of an accident with personal injury, and he waited too long. I get it that he was concussed and in shock at first, but not all night.
 
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“Ted, call the cops.”

“You need to call the cops.”

He didn’t.

The concussion theory doesn’t wash in this case. Not medically and not ethically.

And as for the lack of a run in 1984, it was totally because of Chappaquidick. It was ALL over the news.

People said “Spotlight” had an agenda. I’ve seen it. It didn’t. I haven’t seen this one, so I can’t say if it does or not.
 
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Well, he has been judged by God now. His personal life and shortcomings and sins as well as accomplishments (and he did a lot of good for the people of Massachusetts) have been judge by God. That’s good enough for me.

All I know is the man in the video posted by MonteRCMS definitely has an agenda, and it’s to paint Kennedy as a cold-blooded murderer. The previews for the movie indicate that the writer comes to definite conclusions that no one can come to.

I’m really not interested in arguing the case, only in talking about the merits of the movie. I’m not going to change my mind, and I’m not interested in changing anyone else’s.

As for concussion, I had one and didn’t even know it.
 
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Most people who have been smacked in the head have some degree of concussive injury. When people have post-concussive syndrome, it’s standard of practice for us to ask “have you ever sustained any kind of head injury” for that reason - it’s easy to have one and never know.

In this case, knowing or not is also irrelevant - because we agree he was told what to do by multiple people and didn’t do it. Someone said there should’ve been follow up, and I agree with that too. Had I been there and been one of the people he told, I think I would’ve called the cops myself and reported the whole thing even as secondhand information. At least, I hope I would have.

And I agree - the man is dead, and what we think is irrelevant. I do hope he made things right with God before he departed this mortal life, because I’d want that for anyone.
 
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