‘It Is Not a Closet. It Is a Cage.’ Gay Catholic Priests Speak Out

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Fr Thomas said that priests shouldn’t dump their issues on the laity, but then he shows he has a pretty big issue with priests who are struggling. It only seems to verify what was said in the article about a repression of sexuality within the priesthood to such a level that it is toxic.
 
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One major problem to consider in light of this is that as it is, there aren’t even enough priests to serve the laity.
 
1Lord1Faith said:
Fr Thomas said that priests shouldn’t dump their issues on the laity, but then he shows he has a pretty big issue with priests who are struggling. It only seems to verify what was said in the article about a repression of sexuality within the priesthood to such a level that it is toxic.
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God forbid that sexuality be “repressed”. No, we need to follow the culture that dei-fies sexual expression and sexual license. Self control is so…old school. 😏

The priesthood is a vocation of service. In what other vocation, or profession even, is it acceptable to bring your sexual problems to work and whine about how repressed you are?
No one cares. Take it to your spiritual counselor or your psychiatrist or your Mom even.
I’m sorry, but the whole issue of repression is so whiny. We can do better than that.
 
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Well, yes, right now in parts of the US, perhaps. But you know, throughout much of Christian history there were not ‘many priests’ to serve the laity. Picture a small village of maybe 1000 people, where a priest might be able to travel only once or twice a year. Picture the early Church where Masses were underground and travel conditions were primitive. . .no trains, planes, motors, etc. Picture the early ‘Dark Ages’ when priests traveled to convert the barbarians. Picture the later Dark Ages and the times of the Crusades and wars. Picture the late Dark Ages and the Plague which decimated Europe. Picture the early modern era when the Protestant uprising led to many priests being tortured and killed. Picture the colonial expansion where, again prior to mass transit people were located great distances from cities.

Today there is a huge explosion of priests (relatively speaking) coming from Africa to serve us in the U.S., and there are beginnings of possibly great numbers to come from Asia as well.

So no, we don’t have to ‘accommodate’ by ordaining a ‘warm body’ so that we have ‘enough to serve’. Haven’t we seen what that has brought about --the laity getting ‘served’ by those who water down or defy the faith, and I’m not talking about homosexual priests alone who are doing this, but also many ‘regular’ priests who have been steeped in the idea that priesthood is about ‘thinking for themselves’ in rejecting Catholic teaching, embracing the 'world’s teaching. . .and passing that rebellion onto the laity.
 
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One major problem to consider in light of this is that as it is, there aren’t even enough priests to serve the laity.
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I have met men who left seminary partly because of the homosexual culture there (a few decades ago). Perhaps the real problem was not repression, but lack of restraint, and this reduced the ranks of the priesthood.
 
According to this source, the number of priests declined slightly but the Catholic population doubled. There are also major shortages in Africa and Asia. In countries like the Philippines, the ratio of priests to Catholics is even worse than that of the U.S.
 
ralfy . . .
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It is my opinion that homosexuality in the episcopacy (among the Bishops) and among the priests, is a big part of the reason WHY there is a priest shortage in the first place.

I will not present the host of reasons why I think that on a platform like this.

But I am convinced this is a major part of the problem.
 
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I always thought that the shortage was due to the rise of materialism, which might also explain declines in Church attendance, etc.
 
I always thought that the shortage was due to the rise of materialism, which might also explain declines in Church attendance, etc.
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That’s OK if you think that ralfy. It is fine if you disagree with me (I actually think what you are saying here is a partial truth and why we should have transparent audits of dioceses). I’m good with that.

I think the “materialism” of many of these homosexual men (like “Don Mercedes” - Don Mauro Inzoli – You can read about Don here) certainly has its effect too.

This from a Theodore* McCarrick victim . . . .
McCarrick has haunted the church for the last 50 years. A church which has been cut off from Jesus. Run by men who have chosen to worship money, power, greed. The exact opposite of God’s Holy Teaching.

This has to change. It’s Jesus’ Church – I want to return.
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Ex-Cardinal McCarrick's most well-known abuse victim responds to laicization (full statement) - LifeSite

‘It’s is time for us to cleanse the church. Our Lady’s work is in process.’
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*As I understand it, the Church does not want us using Ecclesiastical titles for these men who have been laicized. Thus “Theodore” and NOT “Cardinal” or “Bishop” McCarrick.
 
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The Rome "summit", "gay" priests, and #sodoclericalism - Wherein Fr. Z rants.

You've probably heard that a book is timed to be released simultaneously in several languages at the beginning of the Roman episcopal "sex summit". Bishops from around the world are to meet to discuss important problems that scandalize and wound the Church so that they don't have to talk about the
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I think the scariest part is the admiration for the NYTimes by the papal advisor.
 
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ralfy . . .
One major problem to consider in light of this is that as it is, there aren’t even enough priests to serve the laity.
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That’s largely the conclusion of Michael Rose in Goodbye, Good Men. Or rather, his conclusion is that there is no vocations crisis: faithful men, he asserts, are being kept out of seminaries purposefully.
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When I was in college in VA in 1998, I came across an invitation to a retreat for young gay men to consider a vocation to religious life. I called the number and spoke to the priest in charged and asked about the intent of the camp, and when did the US church began seeing celibacy as a gift bestowed specifically onto gay men. Needless to say I was concerned that young gay men would be enticed into the priesthood for the wrong reason.
I wished I had made a bigger deal of it. As a foreign college woman who was not familiar with how the US church functioned, I felt helpless.
We have a duty to not lend false promises and have improbable expectations. It is not only about protecting the congregation but our young gay men who are possibly lost and searching, and who need support. The church has FAILED us all.
 
Thanks, I understand your point, which I did not consider.

Does this mean that if the Church strongly opposed homosexuality and vetted seminarians rigidly in light of that, then the numbers of applicants and those who eventually become priests will rise considerably?
 
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Fr Thomas said that priests shouldn’t dump their issues on the laity, but then he shows he has a pretty big issue with priests who are struggling. It only seems to verify what was said in the article about a repression of sexuality within the priesthood to such a level that it is toxic.
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Oh Boo hoo.
We are all struggling, whether with anger, over eating, sexual desires, gambling, drugs, alcohol, or homosexuality. The Christian life IS a struggle to conform ourselves to Christ but God gives us the grace to do that.

I am personally fed up with hearing about homosexuality. Homosexual sex is a mortal sin, and the Catholic Church has been way too soft on letting it be known in homilies during mass. We have prominent Catholics supporting it in public just like they support murdering full grown babies (Cuomo).

Excommunicate them all!! The real victims here are those homosexuals who know they have a problem and cannot get help because helping them is practically illegal!! Thank God for “Courage”:

Courage Apostolate​


(https://couragerc.org/)

Courage members are men and women who experience same-sex attractions and who have made a commitment to strive for chastity. They are inspired by the Gospel call to holiness and the Catholic Church’s beautiful teachings about the goodness and inherent purpose of human sexuality.

Through our apostolate, people who experience same-sex attraction receive pastoral support in the form of spiritual guidance, community prayer support, and fellowship.
 
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Homosexual sex is a mortal sin, and the Catholic Church has been way too soft on letting it be known in homilies during mass.
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The homily is meant to be a teaching on the daily readings, and if the readings don’t address the topic of homosexuality, it is inappropriate to bring it up. Just as inappropriate as making the whole homily an appeal for funds to fix the leaky roof.

How else are we to deepen our comprehension of scripture if homilies don’t address scripture?

It’s in the rubrics.
 
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That’s largely the conclusion of Michael Rose in Goodbye, Good Men . Or rather, his conclusion is that there is no vocations crisis: faithful men, he asserts, are being kept out of seminaries purposefully.
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This book was published in 2002, so likely was based on data from a few years earlier. Today’s seminaries might be better.
I talked to men who went to our local seminary, who confirmed his findings, as of years before 2002. One had to hide one’s rosary; hide any commitments to the supernatural, or dogmas. You had to say all the PC things about Liberation Theology, New Age, the Bible, if you wanted to get through. One man called the seminary the Pink Palace, another called it Mathew, Marx, Luke, and John. But there are signs it is better now.
 
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This book was published in 2002, so likely was based on data from a few years earlier. Today’s seminaries might be better.
I talked to men who went to our local seminary, who confirmed his findings, as of years before 2002. One had to hide one’s rosary; hide any commitments to the supernatural, or dogmas. You had to say all the PC things about Liberation Theology, New Age, the Bible, if you wanted to get through. One man called the seminary the Pink Palace, another called it Mathew, Marx, Luke, and John. But there are signs it is better now.
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Good post, the book was from the year you say I assume and this kind of information is not widely disbursed meaning that info could be going back to the '80s, even '70s. A rather imperfect data bank for such info.
 
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