‘It Must Stop’: California Baptist Church Pleads For Relief After County Fines Approach $60,000

[gam197]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/it-must-stop-california-church-pleads-for-relief-after-county-fines-approach-60000

Since then, the county’s fines against North Valley Baptist Church have continued to pile up to the point that they are being fined $5,000 per day regardless of whether they meet in person.

North Valley Baptist Church is not the only congregation in California to resist the state’s lockdown mandates. Grace Community Church, pastored by John MacArthur, has been wrangling in court with Los Angeles County after MacArthur and the church elders issued a statement in July explaining why they were going to resume in-person assembly.

Five thousand a day is a great deal of money, I don’t know how they can sustain the church…

 

[gam197]

I don’t pity them in the least. Putting the congregation in danger is a serious matter.

From article…

Cooper said that Santa Clara County, whose public health officials show up and then quickly disappear during each Sunday morning service, has started charging his church “$5,000 per day — not days that we meet, but just days that we exist.”

They are being fined even when they are not at a service. Where is the danger?

 

[puer.dei]

They are being fined even when they are not at a service. Where is the danger?

Apparently it’s not just about meeting.
“The county’s rationale for fining the church, Cooper said, is that the church has allegedly not submitted a COVID-19 protocol, which would necessitate that they not hold services.”

 

[gam197]

The Catholic Churches do a livestream mass.

The churches in California are closed. Much of California is still in lockdown. The restaurants have been open to a certain capacity.

Cooper said they are fighting because they fear that the discrimination against houses of worship in California will soon fan out nationwide.

 

[gam197]

Would it not make sense to fine them only for the days they have an actual l service? This congregation may be able to afford that and decide that they will meet once a week for service .

Others is community are meeting just about everywhere else. They are definitely at the beaches because of the heat wave, fined if they don’t wear a mask.

 

[gam197]

The reason why they are been fined daily has been posted above.
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I understand they are being fined because going on seven months, they have not been able to meet for church services. They feel they are no more a threat than a restaurant or other business that is open. For this they were initially fined each time they met and were able to sustain that level of fine.

Now it seems like they are being targeted because they are being fined for each day. even though they only meet weekly or bi-weekly.

Even outdoor Christian events are not allowed so churches are angered and breaking the rules.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article245543565.html

The Let Us Worship rallies come in response to government-issued restrictions that have closed churches for indoor worship during most of the pandemic.

The rate of virus cases in California is down.

 

[Victoria33]

You can’t allow abortion mills and what other businesses? Bars? I know there is a list of businesses that have been deemed essential so yes, this seems contradictory to the law.

I think it was posted here, public gyms in SF are required to close but a government run gym has been allowed to say open.

Not that I will be going to a gym with all of this happening.

 

[Cathoholic]

@gam197 . . .

they are being fined $5,000 per day regardless of whether they meet in person.

BabyWitch . . .

I don’t pity them in the least.

I believe you.

 

[Feanor2]

If they followed the law they would not be getting fined.

 

[gam197]

If they followed the law they would not be getting fined.

The apparently feel the law in unfair by not allowing attendance at churches even if they are outdoor services. They feel the churches are being discriminated against - their right to congregate.

 

[Feanor2]

Feanor2:

If they followed the law they would not be getting fined.

The apparently feel the law in unfair by not allowing attendance at churches even if they are outdoor services. They feel the churches are being discriminated against - their right to congregate.

Doesn’t really matter how they feel about the law they need to follow it.

 

[gam197]

gam197:

Feanor2:

If they followed the law they would not be getting fined.

The apparently feel the law in unfair by not allowing attendance at churches even if they are outdoor services. They feel the churches are being discriminated against - their right to congregate.

Doesn’t really matter how they feel about the law they need to follow it.

The law does allow for freedom of protests and that appears to be what they are doing. There are a number of churches that are having outdoor services. The protests are called “Let Us Worship”.

 

[Feanor2]

Feanor2:

gam197:

Feanor2:

If they followed the law they would not be getting fined.

The apparently feel the law in unfair by not allowing attendance at churches even if they are outdoor services. They feel the churches are being discriminated against - their right to congregate.

Doesn’t really matter how they feel about the law they need to follow it.

The law does allow for freedom of protests and that appears to be what they are doing. There are a number of churches that are having outdoor services. The protests are called “Let Us Worship”.

If their brand of protesting breaks the law it looks like they get hit with a fine. That seems to make sense.

I haven’t heard of any Catholic churches thumbing the rules.

 

[gam197]

If their brand of protesting breaks the law it looks like they get hit with a fine. That seems to make sense.

I haven’t heard of any Catholic churches thumbing the rules.

There are many protests going on across this nation and if they are peaceful protests, there is no fine.

 

[Feanor2]

See how that goes.

 

[Feanor2]

I wonder why the Catholic churches seem to be able to abide by the law but this group does not.

 

[Feanor2]

I bet that not every Catholic Church in California is following it.

But ultimately I would say because their priorities are backwards.
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Or maybe the Catholic churches practice measure and respect for the law- not to mention consideration that we are in the midst of a pandemic.

Sometimes these low protestant “churches”- really ecclesial bodies- like to make a name for themselves.

 

[puer.dei]

And how would submitting their Covid protocol, as obviously most other churches have done, interfere with salvation?

 

[Feanor2]

Well the Bishops of the dioceses of CA- who have God given authority in the matter- seem to be leading their churches to follow the Covid protocols.

Good for them.

 

[Feanor2]

And praise God my bishop disagrees with those protocols, and my bishop and priests all have their priorities straight

It’s good to have Catholics and Catholic leaders who know that the Sacraments are first and the most important things we could get.
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Do you have a source showing that your Bishop is defying the law? I haven’t heard of any Bishops doing this.