“No sin can separate us from Him (God), even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day.”

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The further point is that Luther was a crackpot.

Protestant ministers run away screaming from this statement. Go up to your local Lutheran pastor and ask him to explain it, and you will be greeted either with outright anger or with obfuscation and crawfishing on a massive scale.

It’s pretty obvious that Luther was out of control, he really was fully pushing the megalomaniacal “I am Doctor Luther and I will have it so!” agenda.

No Pope was ever so out of touch as Luther in full cry.
 
The point is that He can, not that He will.
God could make all of us into perfectly sinless robotic Stepford Wives. Theoretically.

I maintain that God would violate His divine nature if He did.

God deemed that we were created free to choose between loving Him and rejecting Him. It would be a reversal of what God has established, and an absolute violation of our Free Will, for God to bring the intentionally unrepentant and the refusers into heaven.

Now I do believe that God has already decided to forgive whatever we truly repent of having done, but we will never enjoy the fruits of that forgiveness unless we take the initial steps of repenting and asking for that forgiveness.

Mt 5:22-24 But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be liable to the hell of fire. So if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
 
What do you think?

Do you agree with this Martin Luther quote? -

“No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day.”
Let Your Sins Be Strong: A Letter from Luther to Melanchthon”.– c.1521)
If no sin can separate us from Him then why did he He give us the bible and the commandments. If no sin can separate me from Him. I could just commit all the crimes I can and then say I’m sorry and profess that Jesus is Lord. Doesn’t make any sense.
 
What do you think?
Do you agree with this Martin Luther quote? -

“No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day.”
Let Your Sins Be Strong: A Letter from Luther to Melanchthon”.– c.1521)
Hell no I don’t believe in “once saved, always saved”!

I’d rather put my faith in the words of Jesus Christ than in the words of some guy who thinks he knows better than Jesus.
 
What do you think?

Do you agree with this Martin Luther quote? -

“No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day.”
Let Your Sins Be Strong: A Letter from Luther to Melanchthon”.– c.1521)
Did anyone read the entire article? After all, to pull a couple sentences from one article (technically a letter) out of many in a man’s career and use that to define Luther seems to be just as bad as Christians who pull one or two verses out of Scripture and make an entire theology out of it.
 
Hmmmm…

I really don’t think Christ died on the cross so we could rape and pillage freely.
 
Hmmmm…

I really don’t think Christ died on the cross so we could rape and pillage freely.
Read the rest of the article…

I think he’s being rhetorical (especially if you read the paragraph above the one you quoted from) and trying to point out God’s unfailing love and mercy.
 
Did anyone read the entire article? After all, to pull a couple sentences from one article (technically a letter) out of many in a man’s career and use that to define Luther seems to be just as bad as Christians who pull one or two verses out of Scripture and make an entire theology out of it.
Hello nsper7, I don’t know what you complaint is, because I provided a link to the entire letter.

Here is more of the statement from - “Let Your Sins Be Strong”,
Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong
, but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2. Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign. It suffices that through God’s glory we have recognized the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day.

Have you ever heard of the expression, “be careful what you ask for”?…The statement before the quote here, is almost as bad as the quote itself.

I am no expert but I have read enough of Luther, to know not to encourage people to post Luther quotes here, if you are a big fan of Luther’s.

He comes across like a crazy man…

Good Luck defending him.

Peace 🙂
 
Hmmmm…

I really don’t think Christ died on the cross so we could rape and pillage freely.
No, but He DID die to save us from those sins! - if we ask forgiveness He is just and merciful!🙂

Annie
 
As with all things, read Luther in context, read when he is using satire and rhetoric, and (if you can) read the original German rather than an English translation.

As Catholic scholar Jared Wicks said in his book, Luther and His Spiritual Legacy: “One needs to be on the lookout for Luther’s rhetorical flights, and to be judicious in discriminating between the substance of his message and the linguistic extremes with which he sometimes made his points.”

The point Luther was making is not to go out and murder or fornicate as much as possible; it was to remember the infinite sacrifice of Christ’s atonement: there is no sin that Christ cannot cover. To say that there is would be to limit the Atonement and limit the power of God.
Romans 8:35-39
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36 As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” 37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
As with all things, read Luther in context, read when he is using satire and rhetoric, and (if you can) read the original German rather than an English translation.

As Catholic scholar Jared Wicks said in his book, Luther and His Spiritual Legacy: “One needs to be on the lookout for Luther’s rhetorical flights, and to be judicious in discriminating between the substance of his message and the linguistic extremes with which he sometimes made his points.”

The point Luther was making is not to go out and murder or fornicate as much as possible; it was to remember the infinite sacrifice of Christ’s atonement: there is no sin that Christ cannot cover. To say that there is would be to limit the Atonement and limit the power of God.
What do you mean by “Atonement” and do you believe in OSAS? Also, did you read all of Luthers writings, which were written in the original German language?

Be careful, there might be a test after this…😃
 
Atonement literally means “at one”, when God and the world were reconciled and made one through the sacrifice of Christ.

No, the Anglican/Methodist communion does not subscribe to One Saved, Always Saved.
 
Atonement literally means “at one”, when God and the world were reconciled and made one through the sacrifice of Christ.

No, the Anglican/Methodist communion does not subscribe to One Saved, Always Saved.
I’m sorry, I guess I wasn’t clear. I know what “atonement” means…I wanted to know what your definition was, in this context and how one were to gain “atonement” and is it the same as forgiveness, or are we talking about “justification” here? ….

I hope this question makes more sense…

Additionally, are you a German linguist, or fluent in the German language?

Thanks 🙂
 
As with all things, read Luther in context, read when he is using satire and rhetoric, and (if you can) read the original German rather than an English translation.

As Catholic scholar Jared Wicks said in his book, Luther and His Spiritual Legacy: “One needs to be on the lookout for Luther’s rhetorical flights, and to be judicious in discriminating between the substance of his message and the linguistic extremes with which he sometimes made his points.”

The point Luther was making is not to go out and murder or fornicate as much as possible; it was to remember the infinite sacrifice of Christ’s atonement: there is no sin that Christ cannot cover. To say that there is would be to limit the Atonement and limit the power of God.
Romans 8:35-39
Perhaps Luther WAS just trying to make a point, but if he was he chose very poor language. Let us compare:
Luther:
Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong, but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2. Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign. It suffices that through God’s glory we have recognized the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day.
Note the difference in the language and image between Luther and St Paul. St Paul describes things done to Christians and how Christ covers and protects them. Luther on the other hand chooses to describe things being done by “Christians” and claiming that Jesus will cover these as well.

Paul is talking of Christian - Saintly - Strength and perseverence in persecution and sorrow where Luther is talking of Justification in Faith regardless of how sinful we are and continue to be.

Certainly not what a good Christian Parent wants their child to learn

Peace
James
 
I would like to point out the one tiny little hole in the logic being presented by Dr. Luther.

Jesus, who was God, pronounced one sin as unforgivable. Therefore, there is a sin that can separate us from God, as it is a sin that shall not be forgiven. We cannot say that Jesus was wrong and it can and will be forgiven.

I guess that he was so busy reading Paul and cussing James he forgot the words of Christ himself.
 
to ingore the Holy Spirit convicting us of our sins until we die cannot and will not be forgiven.this is the sin against the Holy Spirit.did God forgive Satan?no… why? cause he refused to repent of trying to equal God.the only way God will forgive sins is if one humbles themselves before Him.
 
Under OSAS, there is no need to ever ask for the forgiveness of sins.
Not true. Under “OSAS” it is very important to ask forgiveness for your sins. Not doing so will severely hinder your walk with God. Anyone who believes in “OSAS” will tell you that until they confessed their sins they felt very much like David did until he confessed how he had sinned against God.

Your characterization of those who believe “OSAS” is a poor and misinformed one.
 
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