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I am aware of that but still do not see that as a contradiction. Meaning “to assert the oppisite” I do not see that anywhere.
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why do you guys just go back and forth agreeing with one another in a reciprocal manner? Is this the only way that you can keep believing in your doctrines? There is as much of this or maybe even more than there is useful dialogue here. It is very redundant.Hello Mannyfit75,
True… but many millions do and nearly all protestant, non-Catholic Christians believe in "personal interpretation” of the bible, to one extent or another and it is this false and flawed belief, that has lead to other false and flawed beliefs, like “Once Saved Always Saved” (OSAS).
Thank you for your post.
God bless you!
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hmmm… are you sure about that??
Or do you onlly have a softer heart for Protestants??
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I am sure. I love the sinner and detest the sin. how about you. My heart goes out to catholics.
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It is the most obvious thing especially in threads that are merely just pointed questions.
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Distracted I have responded to every tough question given me. Your theology is too convoluted to spend tiome arguing with you but to begin. every scriptural verse you mentioned either had nothing to do with being saved or related to Israel in the Kingdom reign. As for you lack of unsderstanding on how to rightly divide the word of God you must first see that there is a messgae for Israel and a message for the church. Israel and her promises are almost entiely earthly (kingdom) and the church is promised long suffering in this world and our promises are heavenly. There are two different elects and as such Christ taught law and came for the Jews. The way to God was not opened in general to gentiles until the ressurection. Then through the work of the disciples namely Paul. He himself describes Peter as the Apostle to the Jews and himself as the Apostle to the Gentiles. It is not Israel we are grafted into it isw Christ. Without this understanding of the dsifferences there can be no right interpretation nor a Bible free of contradictions. Paul says it is faith and not works but Chriost taught works and faith. Why. His audiance. As he said to the Gentile woman “depart from me it is not your time yet, I have come for the lost sheep of Israel”
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your heart goes out to Catholics… because they are so lost??
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I agree with you.
My very transparent point was to show that faith, while very important, is still not as important as love … an action.
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Ehm, Catholicism isn’t a sin. You make it sound like it is. Catholics don’t believe Protestants are sinning. We only think them ignorant. I mean, Catholic Church is the Church Christ founded… that’s in the Bible. No Protestant sect existing today was formed before the sixteenth century. The Church has been around since the first one, the same one that Jesus’ birth and resurrection occurred in. It’s IMPOSSIBLE and conceited for any Protestant to believe themselves wholly correct… but it is not so for any practicing Catholic.
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Who says? You… Sorry, i have a Church i can trust to interpret scripture… the Church Christ instituted… and there is only ONE… God is not the author of confusion… 34,000 denominations all beliving and teaching a differnet thing… if that is not confusion, i don’t know what is… :whacky:
i don’t know if the Church would approve of me saying this… so don’t quote me but i thought that the Church was supposed to be t he New Israel… or new Jerusalem… just a thought…
i already know this… I’m bored…
i already know this. I’m bored…
i already know this… ho hum…
hmmm… this isn’t boring… exactly… but i don’t think Paul contradicted Christ… of course i would have to go to my Bible with specific scirptures… and i don’t have either with me… so… Next??
Huh? What Bible do you read?? I don’t recall him saying “depart from me” (except when he was rejecting people at the final judgment… st. Matthew 7:21 i believe, and others)…
I sincerely hope/pray you are not so rejected…
… like all of us Catholics undoubtedly will be… 
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I think there is a duality to that. You need faith to be saved. but once saved we walk a life worthy of the calling we recieved and love is the key. James explains that grreat. Funny that a Christian can be taken by the Lord if he is too lost in his sin. I believe that there are those regenerate people who are saved but do nothing and perhaps even sin. Galations is a book to that exact point. Confronmting the masses on their lack of works. But they remained saved. As paul says as if with the smell of smoke on our cloaks. Our works tested by fire but we ourselves are not tested by fire. I think people often confuse these two differences.
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Are you always this hostile? No Paul did not contradict Christ. Thjat is the point. It cannot be both ways and if you do not rightly divide the word of God you will have nothing but contradictions. Then you wait for the CC to interpret. You will be waiting a long time.Who says? You… Sorry, i have a Church i can trust to interpret scripture… the Church Christ instituted… and there is only ONE… God is not the author of confusion… 34,000 denominations all beliving and teaching a differnet thing… if that is not confusion, i don’t know what is… :whacky:
i don’t know if the Church would approve of me saying this… so don’t quote me but i thought that the Church was supposed to be t he New Israel… or new Jerusalem… just a thought…
i already know this… I’m bored…
i already know this. I’m bored…
i already know this… ho hum… hmmm… this isn’t boring… exactly… but i don’t think Paul contradicted Christ… of course i would have to go to my Bible with specific scirptures… and i don’t have either with me… so… Next??
Huh? What Bible do you read?? I don’t recall him saying “depart from me” (except when he was rejecting people at the final judgment… st. Matthew 7:21 i believe, and others)…
I sincerely hope/pray you are not so rejected…
No the Church is not the new Jersulem. The Church is the Bride. The NJ is the NJ the citry the reign of the Kingdom on earth. Christ and the Bride reign over Israewl in this kingdom reign.
You would do well to be less hostil and more studious
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John 15 seems to read that we *can *be cut from the vine.
Jesus is the vine.
Christians are the branches.
A branch can be removed from the vine… and thrown into the fire.
This fire seems to be for the *one *cast from the vine.
The scripture you mentioned before is where a Christian (still a branch) will have his works tests as by fire. That fire is for the works, not the Christian.
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I really love that chapter. It is speaking of fellowship and works. If you then go to 1 cor 3:13-16 Paul tells us exactly of this fire and exactly of the rresult of a poor works life. We still are saved but as if with the smell of smoke on our cloaks. We know we are indwelt. The Holy Spirit, for the first time has taken residency here in us as opposed to visiting as in the OT. In afact it is a part of Rapture that this restrainer is removed when the church is taken. In any event, Remain in Him in chpt 15 cannot be confused with an abandonment spiritually by God but an interuption in fellowship. Such was the case with the prodical son don’t you think?
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Right, Christ came for Israel.
He was supposed to reunite the 12 tribes.
How is this so if most were ‘lost’, gone to the north?
I remember reading someone that explained it this way.
The only way Jesus *could *reunite all of the lost tribes to Israel and to God was to open the faith up to the Gentiles.
Those lost tribes had been assimilated into the Gentile cultures and were no longer purely Israel. The only way to include all of Israel’s blood was to include ALL of the world into salvation.
Just ramblings.
Regarding Peter and Paul teaching the Jews and Gentiles, respectively …
I agree, but we must remember that is was Peter that first preached to the Gentiles (Acts 10:45) and Paul’s first stop in a city was always the synagogue (Acts 13:14, for examle).
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This discussion will probably get back around to the whole issue of personal interpretation eventually.
Just give it some time.
These threads are all clones.
Catholic: Cites these verses to argue against OSAS
Non-Catholic: “You’re interpreting those verses wrong. Here, this is the correct interpretation.”
(Repeat about 100 times, finally…)
Catholic: “Ok, by what authority shall I accept your interpretation of the Scriptures?”
Non-Catholic: “Authority? The Scriptures’ authority, of course! Here, look at these verses. This is what they mean.”
Catholic: “…”
:banghead:
Just give it some time.
These threads are all clones.
Catholic: Cites these verses to argue against OSAS
Non-Catholic: “You’re interpreting those verses wrong. Here, this is the correct interpretation.”
(Repeat about 100 times, finally…)
Catholic: “Ok, by what authority shall I accept your interpretation of the Scriptures?”
Non-Catholic: “Authority? The Scriptures’ authority, of course! Here, look at these verses. This is what they mean.”
Catholic: “…”
:banghead:
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This discussion will probably get back around to the whole issue of personal interpretation eventually.
Just give it some time.
These threads are all clones.
Catholic: Cites these verses to argue against OSAS
Non-Catholic: “You’re interpreting those verses wrong. Here, this is the correct interpretation.”
(Repeat about 100 times, finally…)
Catholic: “Ok, by what authority shall I accept your interpretation of the Scriptures?”
Non-Catholic: “Authority? The Scriptures’ authority, of course! Here, look at these verses. This is what they mean.”
Catholic: “…”
:banghead:
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… I see you are from Louisiana. I grew up in Louisiana (any chance you know where Breaux Bridge is?)Older than you by 17 years though … (ooo … feelings of oldness).
Salut !!
michel
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