“Plenty of queens in this deck!”

[NewUlm1976_2000]

They don’t even have to be promoting sin - all they have to be is ambiguous or neglectful of it.

THE CHURCH IS NOT A SOCIAL CLUB!

That includes ALL of us. We are al ambiguous and neglectful at times on the long list of things that are often considered sins.

And by the last part, I guess we need to close up all those KC Fish Fries/Fish Boils, KC Clubs, Church fall fundraisers, etc… as they are activities that are very social club-ish. Then the Chuch will only be used for masses and nothing else, we come, we leave, we cannot interact in the building outside of mass times.



Of course that is not possible as the role of the Church in many peoples’ lives is that of a social club. That is part of being a parish community. As such, this group has as much right to use the building as any other one.

 

[blessedtoo]

That includes ALL of us. We are al ambiguous and neglectful at times on the long list of things that are often considered sins.

And by the last part, I guess we need to close up all those KC Fish Fries/Fish Boils, KC Clubs, Church fall fundraisers, etc… as they are activities that are very social club-ish. Then the Chuch will only be used for masses and nothing else, we come, we leave, we cannot interact in the building outside of mass times.



Of course that is not possible as the role of the Church in many peoples’ lives is that of a social club. That is part of being a parish community. As such, this group has as much right to use the building as any other one.

Typically, you are omitting or mischaracterizing Church teaching. Are you interested at all in what your faith actually says?

From the USCCB Document:

It would not be wise for persons with a homosexual inclination to seek friendship exclusively among persons with the same inclination.

The Church cannot support organizations or individuals whose work contradicts, is ambiguous about, or neglects her teaching on sexuality.

However, the Church has a right to deny roles of service to those whose behavior violates her teaching. Such service may seem to condone an immoral lifestyle and may even be an occasion of scandal.

Special care ought to be taken to ensure that those carrying out the ministry of the Church not use their position of leadership to advocate positions or behaviors not in keeping with the teachings of the Church. They must not belong to groups that oppose Church teaching. It is not sufficient for those involved in this ministry to adopt a position of distant neutrality with regard to Church teaching.

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As another poster noted, this Church has a history of blurring the lines (and I’m being kind here) on Church teaching regarding homosexuality. In addiction, the group itself is clearly affiliated with groups that support the homosexual lifestyle, which is obviously in conflict with Catholic teaching.

Pretty black and white for most.

 

[Angels_Watchin]

That includes ALL of us. We are al ambiguous and neglectful at times on the long list of things that are often considered sins.

And by the last part, I guess we need to close up all those KC Fish Fries/Fish Boils, KC Clubs, Church fall fundraisers, etc… as they are activities that are very social club-ish. Then the Chuch will only be used for masses and nothing else, we come, we leave, we cannot interact in the building outside of mass times.



Of course that is not possible as the role of the Church in many peoples’ lives is that of a social club. That is part of being a parish community. As such, this group has as much right to use the building as any other one.

You’re not thinking this thru properly. The quote from the document says:

\“All support should be withdrawn from any organizations which seek to undermine the teaching of the Church, which are ambiguous about it, or which neglect it entirely. …

Organization:
Kof C does not seek to undermine… or are they ambiguous., fundraisers are usually held by church groups to raise funds for the church or a Kof C, or prolife or St. Vincent de Paul to do works of charity.

This is an OUTSIDE GROUP which has no charitable or spiritual purpose in line with the Church and, in fact, undermines the teaching of the Church.

 

[Elzee]

That includes ALL of us. We are al ambiguous and neglectful at times on the long list of things that are often considered sins.

And by the last part, I guess we need to close up all those KC Fish Fries/Fish Boils, KC Clubs, Church fall fundraisers, etc… as they are activities that are very social club-ish. Then the Chuch will only be used for masses and nothing else, we come, we leave, we cannot interact in the building outside of mass times.



Of course that is not possible as the role of the Church in many peoples’ lives is that of a social club. That is part of being a parish community. As such, this group has as much right to use the building as any other one.

"as much a right"? Here lies part of the deeper problem. More and more we are defining privileges as "rights’. This group has no “right” to use a Catholic Church. There is nothing, anywhere that would remotely suggest that. If you read carefully the document by the USCCB, it doesn’t even remotely suggest that either, as others have already explained on this thread.

 

[Dale_M]

These people are OPENLY PUBLICLY SUPPORTING AND PROMOTING SIN!

Angels Watchin, a number of people have made this claim, but when I ask them for the basis of their claim, no one responds.

Why do you believe the Quick Tricks Bridge Club is promoting sin? If there is a link which supports your claim, would you please provide the link and a relevant quote from it?

 

[mdgspencer]

I’m not sure what your question is. Are you asking someone to show that gay sex is sinful? If this is a gay organization? Or are you asking to be shown something else?

Why do you believe the Quick Tricks Bridge Club is promoting sin? If there is a link which supports your claim, would you please provide the link and a relevant quote from it?

 

[twf]

Dale: Well the website does state the following:

The Club has been operating for over 25 years. Tadd Waggoner founded QuickTricks in 1978 to provide games primarily for the City’s gay community. The first location was at a Gay Pride Center at 330 Grove Street (near City Hall).

It’s stated primary purpose is to cater to the gay community.

 

[Angels_Watchin]

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Why do you believe the Quick Tricks Bridge Club is promoting sin? If there is a link which supports your claim, would you please provide the link and a relevant quote from it?

Advertised in the homosexual promoting papers:
ebar.com/arts/art_article.php?sec=outthere&article=137
and on a “Gay Bridge Clubs” webpage:
homepage.mac.com/bridgeguys/Gay/GayBridgeClubs.html

So can we stop THE RIDICULOUS claim that they’re NOT promoting the homosexual agenda and address the fact that the group gives it’s home address as Most Holy Redeemer Church.

Again, the church is supposed to be used by groups to promote the faith, as stated in the document quoted earlier, not simply as a social club.

 

[Captain_Mike]

If you want to see proof of this group go to romancatholicblog.typepad.com/ they have a post on this topic.
This group is sick!!!

 

[All]

I see how many people can be upset about this, but didn’t Christ go to the sinner? These people are sinners, and they need our help. Both physical as in hearing the word of God and in our prayers asking God to help them. There was a story of the adulteress being brought to Christ for judgement. Under the law she should have been put to death, and Christ said let the one without sin throw the first stone. I agree that these people are sinners but we should help them rather than condem them. That is definately someone elses responsibility. I will not or can not throw the first stone. But I will pray.

 

[Dale_M]

Dale: Well the website does state the following:
the club website:

The Club has been operating for over 25 years. Tadd Waggoner founded QuickTricks in 1978 to provide games primarily for the City’s gay community. The first location was at a Gay Pride Center at 330 Grove Street (near City Hall).

Well, that is true. Its history is that was founded primarily, but not exclusively, for gays. Remember, the 1970s was the era of gay liberation. It shouldn’t be surprising that a social club might be founded for that purpose. But that was thirty years ago and a lot has changed since then, especially in San Francisco. Heck, the club even ceased existence during that time, being reformed in 1994.

twf:

It’s stated primary purpose is to cater to the gay community.

No, its primary purpose is stated at the top of the website.
the club website:

QuickTricks Bridge Club offers duplicate bridge games and lessons to the general public and is associated with the American Contract Bridge League.
(ACBL).

(bolding done by me)
Angels Watchin:

Advertised in the homosexual promoting papers:
ebar.com/arts/art_article…re&article=137

No, they didn’t advertise in that paper. Your link is simply a newspaper article which makes a small mention of them.
Angels Watchin:

and on a “Gay Bridge Clubs” webpage:
homepage.mac.com/bridgeguys/G…idgeClubs.html

Again, your link is not an advertisement by the club, but simply is a mention of the club by a third party.

That said, your link does include a mission statement for the club
mission statement:

Quicktricks Bridge Club fosters ACBL sanctioned duplicate bridge for the gay and Lesbian bridge community and our friends. Our commitment is to an environment of player service, enjoyment and high ethical standards.

This could be read as excluding people who do not like gays and lesbians, so there is a sliver of substance to your post. But I have a feeling that folks who are uncomfortable around gays and lesbians probably aren’t going to the Castro to play bridge.
Captain Mike:

f you want to see proof of this group go to romancatholicblog.typepad.com/ they have a post on this topic.
This group is sick!!!

Mike, I don’t see anything in your link about the Quick Tricks Bridge Club. I realize that many are upset about the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, and I agree with that disapproval. But it has no bearing on the bridge club.

All:

These people are sinners, and they need our help. Both physical as in hearing the word of God and in our prayers asking God to help them.

Yes indeed. Providing the club a home is a friendly gesture which can only increase the receptiveness of gays and lesbians to the Church’s (and God’s) voice. Evangelizing is done slowly and giving the club a home is a first step down that path.

 

[Angels_Watchin]

No, they didn’t advertise in that paper. Your link is simply a newspaper article which makes a small mention of them. (which is what advertise means)

Again, your link is not an advertisement by the club, but simply is a mention of the club by a third party.

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I didn’t say that THEY advertised in the paper -
I said :“Advertised in …”
(definition of advertise: 1.to announce or praise (a product, service, etc.) in some public medium of communication in order to induce people to buy or use it: *to advertise a new brand of toothpaste. *2.to give information to the public about; announce publicly in a newspaper, on radio or television, etc.:

The club/functions were*** advertised*** in 2 gay papers/websites.

If it were a Catholic Club intended for Catholic (people who hold to the faith) it wouldn’t be mentioned in a homosexual paper or website (except, of course, to ridicule it).’

Stop the ridiculous semantics (in which you are in error) and take a look at what is overwhelmingly obvious to any reasonable human being (and God).

 

[LRThunder]

I see how many people can be upset about this, but didn’t Christ go to the sinner? These people are sinners, and they need our help. Both physical as in hearing the word of God and in our prayers asking God to help them. There was a story of the adulteress being brought to Christ for judgement. Under the law she should have been put to death, and Christ said let the one without sin throw the first stone. I agree that these people are sinners but we should help them rather than condem them. That is definately someone elses responsibility. I will not or can not throw the first stone. But I will pray.

True, but regarding the woman adulterer who was about to be stoned, he also said, “Go and sin no more.”

If this parish was helping this group leave a life of sinful activity, that would be one thing; but it sounds like they’re letting this group use their facilities without trying to get them to repent.

If they don’t want to stop sinning, that’s their choice, but the Church should not be an accomplice to a sinner’s sin. That’s not what Christ did and to do that would show a false compassion.