“The hour has come .... abandon the practice of Communion standing and in the hand”

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saint_rafael said:
That’s pure Blasphemy!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :mad:

A Mortal sin against God.

We are too literal?! You mean we actaully believe with all our heart that Jesus Christ is present body, blood, soul and divinity? Of coarse! It is the Catholic faith. It is his actual historical body. The same Jesus who walked and talked with the apostles is the same one in the Eucharist. He is as present in the Eucharist as he was 2,000 years ago.

Lost Molecules? You are talikng about Jesus! It is obvious you have lost the Catholic faith and no do not believe in the real presence of our Lord in the Eucharist.
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You seem a tad bit overwrought. the Church’s position - as opposed to yours - is that if a particle cannot be readily discerned to be a particle of the Host, that Christ is not present. The church does not require the use of a microscope to determine such. It is not a lack of respect on the Church’s part; it is simply the answer the Church gives. to go beyond that is to border upon scrupulosity.

You might keep in mind that the early Church followed what it learned from the Apostles; who in turn learned from Christ. patens were not used; crumbs were collected, patens were not in existence.

I do not suggest that we have a lackadasical attitude; but there is some distance between that and what you propose.
 
nice2000 said:
I’m not taking any chances of any microscopic particles of Jesus fallen to the ground.

I will continue to receive communion by mouth for the rest of my life here on earth and hopefully when and if I make it to heaven as well.
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Well to be honest, I prefer receiving on the tongue because only the priest’s hands are consecrated - although I see your point about the danger of losing particles. Furthermore, I agree with you that in terms of particles, receiving on the tongue is safer.

Some have argued that even when receiving on the tongue, particles are left on the paten. However, if we think about this, it is very unlikely that the particles arrive on the paten by falling off of the tongue. The Host rests on the tongue and cannot fall through. It is unlikely that any particles might slip off of the side of the tongue, due to saliva.

More likely, the particles arrive on the paten as the Host is moved towards the tongue. Analogously, the same thing happens when the Host is moved to the hand of someone who is receiving. Up to this point, the problem can be solved by using a paten.

Past this point, though, the person receiving on the tongue is not likely to lose any more particles, due to the explanation above, whereas the person receiving on the hand is likely to also have particles/crumbs on the hands. These are likely to drop on to the floor, or be caught on the clothing.

Although it is correctly stated that the Host must retain the appearance of bread to remain the Body of Christ, it seems unnecessarily risky to choose an option that has greater chance of dropping parts of the Host.
 
otjm said:
You seem a tad bit overwrought. the Church’s position - as opposed to yours - is that if a particle cannot be readily discerned to be a particle of the Host, that Christ is not present. The church does not require the use of a microscope to determine such. It is not a lack of respect on the Church’s part; it is simply the answer the Church gives. to go beyond that is to border upon scrupulosity.

You might keep in mind that the early Church followed what it learned from the Apostles; who in turn learned from Christ. patens were not used; crumbs were collected, patens were not in existence.

I do not suggest that we have a lackadasical attitude; but there is some distance between that and what you propose.
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That would seem to have some degree of reasonableness… but do you have the reference for this…??
 
saint_rafael said:
That’s pure Blasphemy!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :mad:

A Mortal sin against God.

We are too literal?! You mean we actaully believe with all our heart that Jesus Christ is present body, blood, soul and divinity? Of coarse! It is the Catholic faith. It is his actual historical body. The same Jesus who walked and talked with the apostles is the same one in the Eucharist. He is as present in the Eucharist as he was 2,000 years ago.

Lost Molecules? You are talikng about Jesus! It is obvious you have lost the Catholic faith and no do not believe in the real presence of our Lord in the Eucharist.
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:rolleyes: Good Grief, you sound medieval…
 
saint_rafael said:
Many of the crumbs are so small that they are microscoptic. It always the case that microscoptic particles that are not visible, are left behind. Even these small particles that are not visible are still Jesus and constitute sacrilege.
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I see where the mistake lies. No, the microscopic paritcles are not Christ. It is when the substance of the accidents break down to there where they no longer have the appearenc eof bread, it ceases to be the Body of Christ. Crumbs, yes. Less than visible particles (which can equally be airborn as well), no.
 
MrS said:
That would seem to have some degree of reasonableness… but do you have the reference for this…??
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You have to look for it; I have not been able to find the specific document but have come across it before. It parallels the issue of how one deals with a Host that has to be dealt with other than by consumption. It is put into a glass of water until it has dissolved, then, if I recall correctly, discarded in a sacrarium. Once it has dissolved into a lump of or blob of wheat, it is considered no longer to have the Presence.
 
Philothea53 said:
If that were true then why are the Priests hands consecrated to the task? Why after Communion are the vessels PURIFIED and ONLY by a Priest?

I think you are more concerned with arguing the point than considering the possibility you may be wrong.
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No. I just understand the difference between what may happen or does happen on occasion and something that “always” happens. I make no point other than the host we use does not lose ay particles. Our priest purifies the vessels because that is what the rubrics require.
 
pnewton said:
I see where the mistake lies. No, the microscopic paritcles are not Christ. It is when the substance of the accidents break down to there where they no longer have the appearenc eof bread, it ceases to be the Body of Christ. Crumbs, yes. Less than visible particles (which can equally be airborn as well), no.
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that begs the question…

… appearance to the normal, naked eye
…appearance to the eye with glasses
…appearance to the eye in normal daylight
…appearance to the eye using a microscope

silly, huh

So let’s let the Church tell us… is there a pronouncement on this matter.

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nice2000 said:
I’m not taking any chances of any microscopic particles of Jesus fallen to the ground.
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Receiving on the tongue doesn’t lessen the opportunity for lost particles at all.

In fact, if you attend a parish where most people receive in the hand while standing, receiving on the tongue may be MORE likely to create fallen crumbs, as patens aren’t typcially used.
 
lovesMary said:
:rolleyes: Good Grief, you sound medieval…
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Thanks. 😃

It’s called the traditional Caholic faith 👍

Traditional Catholicism without an ounce of Modernism.

The heresy of Modernism has led to terrible confusion to the point that Catholics not believe in the real presence and are lying to themselves in their heart.
 
saint_rafael said:
It is reality. here’s some proof:

fatimacrusader.com/cr83/cr83pg8.asp
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Fatima Crusader? Great place for a blind study. The person’s aide? his son. Replication? none.

You have got to be kidding this “study” is nothing but garbage. By his own admission, the person who did the study was showing how bad communion in the hand is, using on type of wafer. This study wouldn’t be good enough for a grade school science project.

Please do not take my word on it. Every one needs to click on this link if you want a good example of how not to do a scientific study.
 
ethelzguy said:
I’m referring to the “microscopic crumbs” everyone keeps talking about, not the host itself. And, if they don’t exist, then why are patens needed? I served many a Mass where the priest took the patens and dusted them off into his chalice after Communion.

Your arguments go in circles…

sheesh. 🤷
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No it doesn’t. That is exactly what we are talking about.

The Microscoptic crumbs fall on the tongue. The tongue goes into the mouth. The Microscoptic crumbs are reverently consumed due to swallowing, saliva, ans so forth. Christ in all, is consumed in the mouth. all particles are inside the body.

The particles that fall in the hand stay on the hand and are later lost due to touching and everything else that happens because it is outside the body.
 
pnewton said:
Fatima Crusader? Great place for a blind study. The person’s aide? his son. Replication? none.

You have got to be kidding this “study” is nothing but garbage. By his own admission, the person who did the study was showing how bad communion in the hand is, using on type of wafer. This study wouldn’t be good enough for a grade school science project.

Please do not take my word on it. Every one needs to click on this link if you want a good example of how not to do a scientific study.
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All of it is common sense, but like the Bible say we have eyes but we do not see. We have ears but we do not listen.

We rather imitate the Protestants who use Communion in the Hand on purpose in order to deny the real presence.

Catholics will entually lose their faith in the real presence after repeatedly using this practice.
 
saint_rafael said:
All of it is common sense, but like the Bible say we have eyes but we do not see. We have ears but wedo not listen.
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I agree, that is why I want people to click on your link. I think it it will be very obvious to anyone with common sense that it is a joke to call it research.
 
pnewton said:
I agree, that is why I want people to click on your link. I think it it will be very obvious to anyone with common sense that it is a joke to call it research.
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It is the personal research of a man who sought the truth and repented of his errors after realizing the abuse of being a EMHC.

I hope every Catholic reads this and stops using the indult of Communion in the Hand and returns to the traditional practice of the ages.

A must read for every Catholic:

“Confession of a Eucharistic Minister”

fatimacrusader.com/cr83/cr83pg8.asp
 
saint_rafael said:
We rather imitate the Protestants who use Communion in the Hand on purpose in order to deny the real presence.
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Actually, I will just stick to following what the Church teaches. If the Church has not abandoned the practice at this time, why should all here be critical of those who follow the Church teaching? Live and let live.
 
saint_rafael said:
We rather imitate the Protestants who use Communion in the Hand on purpose in order to deny the real presence.

Catholics will entually lose their faith in the real presence after repeatedly using this practice.
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More utter hogwash. :yawn:

How one receives has absolutely nothing to do with one’s belief or non-belief in the Real Presence.
 
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