“The hour has come .... abandon the practice of Communion standing and in the hand”

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pnewton said:
Actually, I will just stick to following what the Church teaches. If the Church has not abandoned the practice at this time, why should all here be critical of those who follow the Church teaching? Live and let live.
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The Church teaches Communion on the Tongue. It is the norm for the Church and Canon law. Communion in the Hand was an indult.

Many Catholics disagreed with the indult of Pope Paul VI at the time, and some of his cardinals tried in vain to stop it.

Traditional Catholics have been trying for decades to have this indult removed.

Communion in the Hand has hurt the Church, hurt Catholics, and contributed to the complete collapse of belief in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.

Communion in the hand was a purely prudential decision of the Pope that no Catholic has to agree with. Many actually think it was destructive and actively fight to have this horrible decision overturned.
 
ethelzguy said:
We can exchange quotes and quips all day long.

The fact remains, that the Church allows reception in the hand. The rest of it is just so much background noise. :cool:
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The fact remains, that the Church allows one to kneel and receive on the tongue. The rest of it is just so much background noise.:cool:

So, let’s allow the higer ups to set the example. Personally I do not foresee a declaration by the Church of one position over the other…

but since we seem to agrue that one is seeking attention in one’s choice of posture and reception… again, how about looking at the Church leaders for example. The higher the position, the better the example, right?

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ethelzguy said:
Receiving on the tongue doesn’t lessen the opportunity for lost particles at all.

In fact, if you attend a parish where most people receive in the hand while standing, receiving on the tongue may be MORE likely to create fallen crumbs, as patens aren’t typcially used.
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I beg to differ with you.

I feel communion on the tongue is safer and more respectful to our Lord.

I’m staying with communion by mouth (tongue)

Mother Teresa said it well. I can’t remember her quote exactly, but that was one of the most things that she was saddened by.
 
MrS said:
The fact remains, that the Church allows one to kneel and receive on the tongue. The rest of it is just so much background noise.:cool:

So, let’s allow the higer ups to set the example. Personally I do not foresee a declaration by the Church of one position over the other…

but since we seem to agrue that one is seeking attention in one’s choice of posture and reception… again, how about looking at the Church leaders for example. The higher the position, the better the example, right?

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That’s a good question.

Does the Pope receive communion by hand or mouth?

I never really noticed.

I’ll have to watch more carefully the next time I see him(Pope) on TV during a mass.

Then again if he is receiving Jesus by hand.

I’m still going to receive My Jesus by mouth (tongue).
 
ethelzguy said:
More nonsensical drivel, that has no basis in fact. :whistle:
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The truth is all on my side. The stats, numbers, and all data back me up. The stats are well known that Mass attendance is at around 25% and those who do not believe in the real presence at around 70%

unavoce.org/articles/2003/interview_with_ken_jones.htm

These numbers have been around for years.

If Communion in the Hand an all the other aspects of the new Mass are so great, then the Mass attendance should be at an all time high, and we should be bursting at the seams with new church buildings and priests.

Good luck in finding this Church. It is not in this universe.
 
I do not suffer from any illusions that the following discussion will sway anyone who is adamantly in favor of the *indult *allowing communion in the hand. The purpose of my posting this is so that no one else is fooled by claims that the traditional method is less safe, or claims that somehow this whole discussion doesn’t matter.

2 steps to distributing Communion:
  1. movement from the ciborium to the tongue/hand
    2a) retraction of the tongue and subsequent consumption
    2b) movement from hand to mouth and subsequent consumption
We should be in agreement that step 1 involves the same risk in both options (on the tongue and on the hand). The use of the paten decreases the risk equally for both. If a paten is not used, then both options become more risky.

Communion on the tongue: 2a
It is not apparent how parts of the Host might commonly be lost due to retraction of the tongue. Any particles which come off are likely to remain on the tongue. Once the tongue is retracted, it is extremely unlikely for any particles to be lost.

Communion on the hand: 2b
There is evidence that particles are collected on the paten, which proves that particles do come off of the Host regularly. There is nothing at all to prevent particles from coming off while the Host is in the recipient’s hand. These particles are most likely dropped or lost in clothing. Furthermore, when the person receiving communion picks up the Host to consume it, particles may be lost during the movement, as well as become stuck to the hand used to pick up the Host.

Thus it has been demonstrated that during step 1, both methods have an equal risk of losing particles, which is eliminated by the use of a paten. Furthermore, the second step, 2b necessarily loses particles of the Host while 2a does not likely lose any. So, in further discussion, please refrain from the ludicrous claim that communion on the tongue somehow is more risky.

So, does any of this matter? Well, it would seem to. If you will recall, the priest, after having touched the Host, is required to keep his fingers pinched together to avoid losing… that’s right, particles of the Host. It seems that, far from being non-issue, this is an issue important enough to be addressed in the rubrics.

How many people still want to call this concern “medieval”?
 
saint_rafael said:
If Communion in the Hand an all the other aspects of the new Mass are so great, then the Mass attendance should be at an all time high, and we should be bursting at the seams with new church buildings and priests.
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Another useless declaration with no basis in fact. Form of Communion reception has nothing to do with the number of new Church buildings being erected or priests being ordained.

Delusions like these serve to misinform others with regard to the Catholic Church.
 
Miles_Mariae said:
How many people still want to call this concern “medieval”?
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How many of the so-called “experts” here have applied to the Vatican for employment? Surely with all this superior knowledge your presence is dearly needed.
 
saint_rafael said:
. Even these small particles that are not visible are still Jesus and constitute sacrilege. .
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For a sin to take place, the person must know he/she is doing something wrong and do it with full knowledge and consent. If this has been OKed by the Magisterium, no sin takes place. Please stop with the SSPX scare tactics. Are you saying the Holy Father was wrong when he gave Communion in the hand when he was here.
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Deacon_Ed_B said:
For a sin to take place, the person must know he/she is doing something wrong and do it with full knowledge and consent. If this has been OKed by the Magisterium, no sin takes place. Please stop with the SSPX scare tactics. Are you saying the Holy Father was wrong when he gave Communion in the hand when he was here.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
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You are saying since the person does not realize what they are doing is a sin, is not a sin. Correct?

Does this mean “lack of Knowledge”?

Is the Magisterium leading us to sin by allowing Catholics to accept the Body of Christ by hand?
 
saint_rafael said:
The Church teaches Communion on the Tongue. It is the norm for the Church and Canon law. Communion in the Hand was an indult.
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It is an indult, just like the TLM. I also oppose those who blast traditional Catholics for preferring the indult to the normative. Again, live and let live. This is the current rule of disciple and the wisdom of the Church. For those consider themself wiser in this issue, then by all means pray it will be overturned, write letters, but back off your fellow Catholic’s case, for goodness sake.
 
pnewton said:
No. I just understand the difference between what may happen or does happen on occasion and something that “always” happens. I make no point other than the host we use does not lose ay particles. Our priest purifies the vessels because that is what the rubrics require.
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And the rubrics require this just because someone got an idea that it might be a fun thing for the Priest to do while the congregation waited? I think there is something more substantial to it.
 
pnewton said:
Actually, I will just stick to following what the Church teaches. If the Church has not abandoned the practice at this time, why should all here be critical of those who follow the Church teaching? Live and let live.
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I think maybe allowing the reception of Holy Eucharist in the hand while the Communicant stands is an experiment whose time has come and is going. Read on:

Vatican, Jun. 26, 2008 (CWNews.com) - The new director of the Vatican liturgical office has strongly encouraged kneeling to receive Communion, indicating that Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) prefers the practice.
cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=59335

Again for the Holy Mass for Sts. Peter and Paul, the Holy Father is distributing Communion only to people who are kneeling and he is giving It on the tongue only.

You could see them set up the kneeler.
wdtprs.com/blog/2008/06/communion-on-the-tongue-kneeling-benedict-xvis-good-example/

VATICAN CITY (CNS) – Receiving the Eucharist on the tongue while kneeling before the pope will become the norm at papal liturgies, said the Vatican’s liturgist.
catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0803381.htm

Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Auxiliary Bishop of Karaganda in Kazakhstan, has written a book called Dominus Est, published by the Libreria Editrice Vaticana. Bishop Schneider looks particularly at the question of how we should receive Holy Communion, favouring the practice of kneeling and receiving Holy Communion on the tongue. Not only has the book been published by the Vatican press, it also has a Foreword by Archbishop Malcolm Ranjith, Secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship.
the-hermeneutic-of-continuity.blogspot.com/2008/01/communion-kneeling-on-tongue.html

These were just a few I got quickly from a google search.
 
ethelzguy said:
We can exchange quotes and quips all day long.

The fact remains, that the Church allows reception in the hand. The rest of it is just so much background noise. :cool:
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Until Holy Mother Church takes things back to where they belong. Just because something is allowed doesn’t mean it is okay. That is called relativism.
 
ethelzguy said:
Yah, that’s it :whistle:
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How can that be if the authentic Magisterium of the Catholic Church is the truth?

I don’t really understand what “Magisterium” means.

But it seems to mean to me the truth of Cathlosim.
The truth that Jesus spoke and taught. Am I correct?
 
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