1 killed as Trump supporters, protesters clash in Portland

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ATraveller said:
When you refuse to maintain law and order as the Portland mayor has done
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My position is a little more uncertain. Unfortunately, when it comes to herding humans, they can be quite creative in how to rebel. The USA tried to maintain law and order when it came to prohibition, but the collective rebelling was found to introduce some new risks. The USA eventually it was safer to allow the use of alcohol within restrictions. A state is a much smaller entity. But there is still overlap. Trying to completely stop protesting could introduce new risks. But complete allowance could also be a position of no enforcement of rules. At best, a state leader has to try to find a balance.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
completely stop protesting could introduce new risks
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Protesting isn’t unlawful (though all large gatherings should be restricted in light of the pandemic because that’s the logical thing to do but that boat sailed in America) but rioting is in most places illegal. I just don’t buy the theory some malcontents being restrained will make things worse. I just don’t. We can look to Sydney, Australia, which by the way, isn’t seeing a massive spread of COVID-19. They have race relations issues too. They had one large rally. Then planned a second one but was instantly shut down despite the organizers defiance.
 
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IanM said:
" ‘I am 100% Antifa’: Alleged Portland shooter was previously arrested—and released—for bringing illegal loaded gun to a riot "
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I think it is worth mentioning that he was arrested for possessing a gun in July. The arrest and gun possession from last month doesn’t have immediate connection to the events of last week.
 
BabyWitch said:
Hopefully this is all over after Trump is removed from office.
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Of course it will. That’s the whole reason why leftist mayors in Portland and Seattle and other major cities have been complicit in the violence.
If Trump loses the election, it will end either by the leftist blackshirts of Antifa, and BLM going home, or the mayors, having what they want, will force them to go home.
 
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ThinkingSapien said:
Trying to completely stop protesting could introduce new risks.
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No one is trying to stop protesting. We all have the right to protest. The folks that went to Portland Saturday night had a permit. The BLM & antifa rioters were the ones who wanted to stop their right to protest. Seems odd those who are “protesting” to be heard want to stop others from protesting.
ThinkingSapien said:
I think it is worth mentioning that he was arrested for possessing a gun in July. The arrest and gun possession from last month doesn’t have immediate connection to the events of last week.
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It is also worth mentioning he never even went to jail for that one. He was released immediately, probably with a strong warning to not do it again.
 
Reinoehl claimed self-defense. A new video shows that the man waited behind a wall for these two protestors to go by. He then shot one.
‘Reinoehl conceals himself, waits, and watches as Danielson and Pappas continue walking by. Danielson and Pappas do not appear to interact or communicate with anyone and continue southbound on SW 3rd Avenue,’ it continues.
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After the two men, who are wearing hats of the right-wing group Patriot Prayer, walk past, Reinoehl emerges from the parking garage and appears to be reaching for his waistband.
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When the police days later tried to apprehend the shooter, he was killed.

New images show Antifa activist lying in wait before fatal shooting of pro-Trump demonstrator | Daily Mail Online(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
 
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Even when the mayor network will rarely cover this as they do other stories. It is events like this that make people leave the “Antifa/BLM” side. Many have come forward saying that they do not support this stuff, and leave the movement. It is not a huge number either, but some people do change their mind.
 
The communist is already reaching for his weapon while he does not have line of sight on the Trump supporter. Therefore he had to be getting information about the location of his target from someone else. That guy behind Pappas lifting his hand towards his face could easily be activating some sort of coms equipment. This looks like a professional hit with a shooter and a spotter.

Anyone see the mythical black friend the communist claimed to be protecting?
 
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WingedHussar said:
The communist is already reaching for his weapon while he does not have line of sight on the Trump supporter.
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He saw them carrying weapons and then ducked into the garage.
WingedHussar said:
Therefore he had to be getting information about the location of his target from someone else. That guy behind Pappas lifting his hand towards his face could easily be activating some sort of coms equipment. This looks like a professional hit with a shooter and a spotter.
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Hollywood is not real life.
WingedHussar said:
Anyone see the mythical black friend the communist claimed to be protecting?
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The same parking garage camera, other cameras, and multiple eyewitnesses.
 
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Balto1 said:
He saw them carrying weapons and then ducked into the garage.
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No weapons visible on the Trump supporter though. Also setting up an ambush is not self-defense.
Hollywood is not real life.
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Agreed, this a professional hit, no Hollywood tactics involved.
The same parking garage camera, other cameras, and multiple eyewitnesses.
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So it will be real easy for you to post a picture then right?
 
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Both weapons are considered less lethal and would not justify ambushing someone.

So where is the black friend in that picture?
 
You would be a fool not to be armed when communists are in the area.
 
WingedHussar said:
Both weapons are considered less lethal and would not justify ambushing someone.
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He didn’t ambush anyone, he just saw armed white supremacists and as someone who had been shot by one of them already he took precautions to regroup with his friends. After he did and was walking away the white supremacist approached him and attacked with pepper spray and then got shot.
WingedHussar said:
So where is the black friend in that picture?
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In the center with his arm around a woman.

No, a group of people who have been coming out of state to attack people in Portland for years, and that had spent the day attacking people.
 
Balto1 said:
He didn’t ambush anyone, he just saw armed white supremacists and as someone who had been shot by one of them already he took precautions to regroup with his friends. After he did and was walking away the white supremacist approached him and attacked with pepper spray and then got shot.
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He is hiding around a corner and drawing his weapon before he can even see the guy. That is an ambush.
Balto1 said:
In the center with his arm around a woman.
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So Danielson is walking away with his back to the black friend. Come on man, surely you can do better than this weak excuse?
 
WingedHussar said:
So Danielson is walking away with his back to the black friend.
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Yup. After they passed he regrouped with his friend and walked in a different direction. The friend then yelled something at the white supremacists and the bear spray guy attacked them and got shot.
 
Balto1 said:
The friend then yelled something at the white supremacists and the bear spray guy attacked them and got shot.
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The communist is already drawing his weapon in the that pic before there is any possible attack on the black friend and while having no line of sight. So your fanciful narrative only works if commies have supernatural powers to predict the future. I will go with the actual explanation, a calculated ambush.
 
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No precognition needed, he saw the guy with weapons out and prepared himself for the possibility of violence. Guy should have used his gun instead of bear spray if he wanted to start something.
 
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