1 killed as Trump supporters, protesters clash in Portland

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Lying in wait and preparing while his victim was walking away from the guy the communist was supposedly protecting. Yeah, not buying your weak explanation.
 
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You can keep saying that is was self defense - sadly the facts, video and pictures are not with you or your story line.

The man - if he really was acting in self defense or in defense of another person should have stayed at the scene … however, he did not … the next day he did not turn himself in … he fled the state …he then resisted arrest …

He even had legal counsel by his own testimony - though being a law abiding respectful citizen does not seem to be his strong suit - which he ignored. If he feared the police - his lawyers could and would have arranged for him to present himself to the DA … which had allowed him to walk on the previous gun charge and other offenses … so why would he fear … In liberal PDX/OR where politicians have coddled the rioters. looters and arsonists for months and who hate Trump more than they respect the average citizen - why fear, why run away … especially if one was innocent …
 
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Balto1 said:
he just saw armed white supremacists and as someone who had been shot by one of them already he took precautions to regroup with his friends. After he did and was walking away the white supremacist approached him and attacked with pepper spray and then got shot.
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Source, that the man killed claimed to be a white supremacist.
 
He was part of a white supremacist group. Fox News aired an interview with one of his friends, a known white supremacist.
 
John, you have to understand the mentality of people who see only white supremacy… They believe it with their whole core. There is no reasoning with people who see white people superior, in every single aspect in life. Meaning that the only way to protect people of color, is to have a white person defend them, and those who die defending a person of color, become martyrs to their cause. By any means necessary, even lying to the whole world, and yes killing people.

This has been said over and over. We can not reason with people who see whites as superior. God has to make us humble.

Edit: So much so, that if Mother Teresa was to get involved, it be white supremacy.
 
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Rockoh22 said:
John, you have to understand the mentality of people who see only white supremacy… They believe it with their whole core.
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I have no more interest in what a white supremacist thinks than what a fascistic Antifa member thinks. The I find the philosophy to be despicable and anti-American.
Rockoh22 said:
There is no reasoning with people who see white people superior, in every single aspect in life. Meaning that the only way to protect people of color, is to have a white person defend them, and those who die defending a person of color, become martyrs to their cause. By any means necessary, even lying to the whole world, and yes killing people.
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And this makes them no different than others who practice racism in one form or another. Identity politics, regardless of its source, is racism and deserves nothing short of condemnation from all Americans.
Rockoh22 said:
This has been said over and over. We can not reason with people who see whites as superior. God has to make us humble.
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Or any other race as superior. Or inferior. Or determining a person’s worth based upon their immutable characteristics.
 
JonNC said:
First, if you have evidence that they have said so, please share.
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Their staging point for the racist attacks that led to this guy’s death was a mall that had to be evacuated by employees because the Patriot Prayer people were threatening anyone who wasn’t white with guns or surrounding them and shouting racial slurs until they were able to escape. This is after years now of the Patriot Prayer group and their Proud Boy buddies committing racially motivated attacks locally. Also Fox News aired an interview with the guy’s friend who just happens to be an avowed white supremacist.
 
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Their staging point for the racist attacks that led to this guy’s death was a mall that had to be evacuated by employees because the Patriot Prayer people were threatening anyone who wasn’t white with guns or surrounding them and shouting racial slurs until they were able to escape.
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Again, a source where they claim it as their philosophy. You’ve made an accusation. Following it with the same accusation doesn’t convince.
If the are, and they are engaging with Antifa, then there is no side to favor. But two sides to oppose.
 
If you walk like a white supremacist, talk lime a white supremacist, and organize and commit racially motivated attacks with a white supremacist group you’re a white supremacist group.
 
Jon asked for some sources to support your accusations … which you dont seem able to provide … it was a reasonable request - why are you hesitant …

As for your “walks like a duck, quakes like a duck analogy” - calling your group antifa and claiming to be anti facist while acting as the epitome of facist brown shirts - which antifa has done for years - does not make the group lawful nor representative of a valid cause . .their Hijacking of the goodwill and national outrage of the killing of George Floyd is a travesty … heck - they even have hijacked the good will the BLM movement had - and they had their own agenda rather than justice for George as well …

Antifa is all about the violence



They may be the darlings of the left now due to their animous towards the President - but they are not nice peaceful people
 
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If you walk like a white supremacist, talk lime a white supremacist, and organize and commit racially motivated attacks with a white supremacist group you’re a white supremacist group.
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So, you have no evidence. When you do, I’ll join you in condemning them.
Thanks.
 
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From the Reason article:
“One has to take sides,” Shuja Haider wrote at Jacobin , echoing other voices on the left. “There is a side that asserts our common humanity and fights fascism, racism, and hate. It was represented in Charlottesville by the leftist groups who took to the streets to confront the far right. The other side is the one that took innocent lives on those same streets.”
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This is a lie. The leftists in Antifa and the Marxists in BLM are no better than the neo no is or white supremacists. They all act like fascist black shirts, are purveyors of hate and racism.
Americans should reject and condemn both in the strongest terms. Defending one side is effectively defending both.
 
YADA said:
Jon asked for some sources to support your accusations … which you dont seem able to provide … it was a reasonable request - why are you hesitant …
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I can link news articles detailing years of violent racist attacks by Patriot Prayer people but why would I spend my time when people from outside the area will just ignore them and claim I don’t know what I’m talking about (or that they can’t be racist because they didn’t write we’re racist in their club charter or whatever lol) . I’ve been to protests where they showed up, I know what happens when they see a person of color.
 
I am familiar with PDX - lived and worked there. Personally, I do not think either group holds the moral high ground - Antifa is more aggressive and violent … though both groups have taken the initiative to instigate clashes at times … they feed off each other and the city, businesses and citizens pays the price …

Of the two though Antifa has attacked people unaffiliated with any protests and are responsible for more private and public property damage …
 
Balto1 said:
I can link news articles detailing years of violent racist attacks by Patriot Prayer people but why would I spend my time when people from outside the area will just ignore them
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Check my last post. I just said I would join you in condemning them.
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I’ve been to protests where they showed up, I know what happens when they see a person of color.
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Have you seen the riots, or just the protests?
 
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Balto1 said:
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JonNC:
Have you seen the riots, or just the protests?
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I’ve been to both peaceful protests and police riots.
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The police respond to the riots, most of whom have been the fascistic Antifa blackshirts and Marxist BLM. Let me know when police burn And loot private property.
 
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