10 Catholic campuses to host V-Monologues this year

[Bruised_Reed]

Okay, some of this can be seen on youtube and I do agree with others. It is inappropriate and pornographic. One or two minutes of hearing her speak is enough to realize it is not something that should be playing at any Christian school. The Cardinal Newman Society says this:

The Monologues seriously distorts human sexuality and celebrates sinful behaviors, including lesbian activity and masturbation. One scene even declares a lesbian rape of a teenage girl her “salvation” which raised her into “a kind of heaven.” The play’s production on Catholic campuses has been criticized by several bishops."

Note that I never said the Vagina Monologues should be presented at a Catholic or Christian school so you need to direct these comments to those schools, not to me.

And again, it’s not pornographic. Someone posted a definition of pornography earlier and since you watched excerpts on youtube maybe you could give an example of one (just one) that you found arousing.

I think the Cardinal Newman society said it plain what the message was. I also understand that yes they are trying to raise awareness of issues against women but there is a way to build women up and a way to bring us down. Down to women speaking and listening through our sexual anatomy.

There are many great Catholic women out there. One great thing the colleges could have are Rachel’s Vineyards retreats. There are also great women who speak on women’s issues such as:

Johnette Benkovich
Pattie Armstrong
Rebekah Durham Hart speaks on the Dignity of Women
Teresa Tomeo
Mary Rice Hasson
Kelly Wahlquist
Mary Wallace.

These are just a few. I know there are more. These are great speakers who through their speaking raise the awareness of the need for women’s dignity.

I looked up every one of them and none focus on domestic violence, sexual assault, or human trafficking. If you can find a source I would be happy to look at it. I’ve looked and Catholics talk about modesty, pro-life issues, modesty, chastity, modesty, married life, motherhood and modesty. I haven’t found any Catholics that do but non-Catholic Christians are picking up the slack raising awareness and donations to fight human trafficking.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

I agree. It is not a distasteful word. And yes it is a clinical word but in this instance they are not speaking clinically. They are speaking sexually through a good part of the play.

I am old enough to know that every woman has one, even our Blessed Virgin Mother Mary.

It is not the word. It is the context and use of the word. It is using that word to label what we as women are. We are not just sexual parts. Our lives are so much more than our sexual parts. We can certainly discuss these issues in soooo much better and dignified ways.

Our dignity isn’t going to come from discussing our sexual areas as if they are separate from the rest of us. As if they are some object, which is what this play makes it sound like. Women are already treated as objects, today, hundreds times more than ever before. If women want respect and dignity, which is something that is being lost today, we need to show respect for ourselves and this play doesn’t do that.

We also need to remember that sex should never be separate from marriage and this play certainly doesn’t encourage that.

Did you or anyone else read what BlueEyedLady posted?

It’s about the experiences that women all over the world have had that defined them sexually in some way, for better or worse. It sheds light on a lot of horrifying and devastating things that women have gone through simply because they have a vagina

 

[SuperLuigi]

You didn’t mention that this obscene tripe explores the joys of masturbation, or the lesbian seduction/rape of young girls by older women.

Would that be the “some difficult to hear” reference?

The purpose of the Vagina Monologues is to get impresssionable young girls into the habit of masturbating and out of the habit of praying. That is the sexual revolutionary’s preferred modus operandi.

That content is disgusting!

 

[Bruised_Reed]

Reggie Littejohn, founder and president of Women’s Rights Without Borders
If there is a good work that needs to be done, odds are you’re going to find that there’s at least one Catholic somewhere that’s on top of it, and generally many. If you’re not aware of them, then perhaps you should do a little searching.

Thank you for the info I hadn’t heard of the organization before.

FYI, for anyone looking, the organization is called Women’s Rights Without Frontiers (not Borders).

 

[Bruised_Reed]

The author of this play may be claiming to be raising awareness of certain issues but is in actuality trying to destroy modesty and chastity in our young women through crudeness and encouragement to sin. Old Beelzebub himself would be behind that. The end still never justifies the means in a Christian soul.

You can read her mind?

 

[Bruised_Reed]

This is one thing that I would disagree with. I don’t see why Roman Catholic colleges now show filthy plays which encourage the rape of children, which in this case is the lesbian rape of a 13 year old child (or in a later version of the play a 16 year old), is any form of salvation for the child. My personal opinion is that our salvation comes from the suffering, death and resurrection of Our Divine Lord and Savior, and that it is wrong to say that salvation comes to children by lesbians going around using filthy language and raping them. Further, for a Catholic college to celebrate Ash Wednesday this way, as did Holy Cross college in Worcester, MA, seems insane or at least contrary to what was taught in the Catholic Church before Vatican II.

It doesn’t enourage the rape of children anymore than Hunger Games encourages children killing children. That was someone’s experience, and how they perceived it. That that young woman’s view is distorted should be the concern and is in conversations that don’t distort the message of the play.

 

[Tomdstone]

And again, it’s not pornographic.

Not true:

"Lesbian porn, “The Vagina Monologues” humiliates and degrades women in the name of feminism and social progress. - See more at: henrymakow.com/241001.html#sthash.EFdmhugS.dpuf
Also:
“The play pretends to be about women’s rights. In fact, it is little more than a public reading of explicit lesbian pornography.”
jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Feminism/feminisms_dead_end.htm
"Vagina Monologues is just pornography
masquerading as “empowerment”.
womenagainstfeminism.tumblr.com/post/75872280955/vagina-monologues-is-just-pornography

 

[Tomdstone]

It doesn’t enourage the rape of children anymore than Hunger Games encourages children killing children. That was someone’s experience, and how they perceived it. That that young woman’s view is distorted should be the concern and is in conversations that don’t distort the message of the play.

Was it beneficial for this child to be raped, according to the message of this pornographic play?

 

[Bruised_Reed]

Was it beneficial for this child to be raped, according to the message of this pornographic play?

Not anymore than it is for anyone to be raped.

I can’t improve on this:

It’s about the experiences that women all over the world have had that defined them sexually in some way, for better or worse. It sheds light on a lot of horrifying and devastating things that women have gone through simply because they have a vagina

 

[Bruised_Reed]

Not true:

"Lesbian porn, “The Vagina Monologues” humiliates and degrades women in the name of feminism and social progress. - See more at: henrymakow.com/241001.html#sthash.EFdmhugS.dpuf
Also:
“The play pretends to be about women’s rights. In fact, it is little more than a public reading of explicit lesbian pornography.”
jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Feminism/feminisms_dead_end.htm
"Vagina Monologues is just pornography
masquerading as “empowerment”.
womenagainstfeminism.tumblr.com/post/75872280955/vagina-monologues-is-just-pornography

Those are just people saying it’s pornography, without regard to the definition or without distorting or misinterpreting content so it fits their narrative.

Also, the first source you listed: a anti-Semitist and conspiracy theorist.
The second one: anti-Catholic. So the enemy of our enemy is our friend, huh.
Third: a tumblr post that articulates nothing. Point me to actual content with lesbians making fun of rape.

 

[Magdalena59]

Note that I never said the Vagina Monologues should be presented at a Catholic or Christian school so you need to direct these comments to those schools, not to me.

And again, it’s not pornographic. Someone posted a definition of pornography earlier and since you watched excerpts on youtube maybe you could give an example of one (just one) that you found arousing. .

You know I hesitated putting on here that I had found excerpts on youtube because I thought someone might say something insulting. You know it only takes a minute of hearing someone speak crudely to get the message. I have young men in my family. It takes a while for them to get past sexual immaturity. I can’t imagine any young man sitting in the audience listening to this who wouldn’t struggle with arousal. Sometimes the meaning behind the message can be very hidden.

I looked up every one of them and none focus on domestic violence, sexual assault, or human trafficking. If you can find a source I would be happy to look at it. I’ve looked and Catholics talk about modesty, pro-life issues, modesty, chastity, modesty, married life, motherhood and modesty. I haven’t found any Catholics that do but non-Catholic Christians are picking up the slack raising awareness and donations to fight human trafficking.

I listed these women because they speak on the dignity of women. Helping women realize they are more than their sexual parts. That they were created for a purpose.

Here are a couple of other sources for human trafficking.

Coalition of Catholic Organizations Against Human Trafficking

crs.org/slavery-human-trafficking/

Did you or anyone else read what BlueEyedLady posted?

 

[Tomdstone]

Not anymore than it is for anyone to be raped.

Does not the play have the child say in reference to her lesbian experience with an older lady: “She tells me to always know how to give myself pleasure so I’ll never need to rely on a man. …She transformed my ************ and raised it up into a kind of heaven”?
Why isn’t this scene an obvious endorsement of both masturbation and of child rape?

 

[Bruised_Reed]

You know I hesitated putting on here that I had found excerpts on youtube because I thought someone might say something insulting. You know it only takes a minute of hearing someone speak crudely to get the message. I have young men in my family. It takes a while for them to get past sexual immaturity. I can’t imagine any young man sitting in the audience listening to this who wouldn’t struggle with arousal. Sometimes the meaning behind the message can be very hidden.

I’ve seen the play. When I went it was discussed on the way there and on the way back. I’ve thought a lot about it and considered the stories. I bet I’ve thought more about it than most people here.

And I doubt a man would be aroused by the descriptions of rape and genital mutilation arousing unless there is something wrong with them. And if they are aroused by one monologue they will get over it once they are confronted with the variety of stories told.

I listed these women not because they speak on the dignity of women. Helping women realize they are more than their sexual parts. That they were created for a purpose.

Here are a couple of other sources for human trafficking.

Coalition of Catholic Organizations Against Human Trafficking

crs.org/slavery-human-trafficking/

I don’t need sources. I’m already involved in the those movements. Again, there aren’t many (any?) Catholics, specifically Catholic women, that speak or lead the type of organizations listed.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

Does not the play have the child say in reference to her lesbian experience with an older lady: “She tells me to always know how to give myself pleasure so I’ll never need to rely on a man. …She transformed my ************ and raised it up into a kind of heaven”?
Why isn’t this scene an obvious endorsement of both masturbation and of child rape?

No. It isn’t. Boys, young men, who are seduced by women often describe it as a positive experience. They do not realize that the abuse and exploitation will negatively affect their social and sexual relationships with women unless they acknowledge it and work towards healing.

 

[Tomdstone]

Those are just people saying it’s pornography, without regard to the definition or without distorting or misinterpreting content so it fits their narrative.

Also, the first source you listed: a anti-Semitist and conspiracy theorist.
The second one: anti-Catholic. So the enemy of our enemy is our friend, huh.
Third: a tumblr post that articulates nothing. Point me to actual content with lesbians making fun of rape.

You have given ad hominem arguments, but not addressed the issues raised by those who object to the play.
If you need a Roman Catholic site saying that it is pornography, here is one:
lifenews.com/2012/06/19/pro-abortion-lawmaker-performs-pornographic-play-at-state-capitol/

 

[Bruised_Reed]

You have given ad hominem arguments, but not addressed the issues raised by those who object to the play.
If you need a Roman Catholic site saying that it is pornography, here is one:
lifenews.com/2012/06/19/pro-abortion-lawmaker-performs-pornographic-play-at-state-capitol/

No, I never asked for a Catholic source saying it is pornographic. No one is going to be able to convince me it is pornography. It doesn’t fit the definition of the word. I’ve seem samples of pornography and theVagina Monologues isn’t it. Not soft core, not hard core not erotica.

I keep coming back to the definition and none of the posters have given an example that fits the definition nor have the outside sources. You can say it’s a lot of things: disturbing, shocking, inappropriate for a Catholic school or wharever but it isn’t arousing, nor is it itended to be.

And I made those points about those sources because they aren’t credible to me. Did you just google them? Did you really think I would find any of those persuasive? If so, I find that really insulting.

Lifesite news isn’t a good source either. I never use it.

 

[Estevao]

Cool, apparently talking about your genitals, referring to them with vulgar names and reminiscing on past sexual encounters, lusts, masturbation and lesbian behavior (all on stage in front of dozens or hundreds of people, mind you!) isn’t pornographic or exhibitionist or anything like that.

I guess I should start reading Penthouse Forum, or perhaps even doing so during a testimony on a so-called catholic college. IIRC it’s about the experiences that people all over the world have had that defined them sexually in some way, for better or worse. It sheds light on a lot of coming of age and sex-positive things that persons have gone through simply because they have genitals. Good thing it’s not pornography and that this is all well and good on a “catholic” college now!

 

[Magdalena59]

It doesn’t enourage the rape of children anymore than Hunger Games encourages children killing children. That was someone’s experience, and how they perceived it. That that young woman’s view is distorted should be the concern and is in conversations that don’t distort the message of the play.

I can’t help but wonder if Hunger Games will or has encouraged such things. I have heard of many parents who took their children to the movie and then proceeded to walk out. The news is full of stories of children killing or attempting to kill other children.

 

[Magdalena59]

I’ve seen the play. When I went it was discussed on the way there and on the way back. I’ve thought a lot about it and considered the stories. I bet I’ve thought more about it than most people here.

And I doubt a man would be aroused by the descriptions of rape and genital mutilation arousing unless there is something wrong with them. And if they are aroused by one monologue they will get over it once they are confronted with the variety of stories told.

I don’t need sources. I’m already involved in the those movements. Again, there aren’t many (any?) Catholics, specifically Catholic women, that speak or lead the type of organizations listed.

What might not seem sexual to you can certainly be different to those who are immature and going through a lot of hormone changes, especially young men who you might just only have to hear the word sex. Also, just hearing the women talk about their sexual experiences can cause images in peoples minds. Images that may be very difficult to get out. There are many, many men in our culture who struggle with pornography and I am sure they would disagree with you when you say after hearing the stories they would get over it. More than likely it would only increase their desire for pornography.

According to the Center for Parent and Youth Understanding we live in a porn culture and I think their definition is much better than Wikipedia’s.

• While dictionaries might define pornography as pictorial or literary renderings of obscene material related to the sex act, it is much broader than that. Pornography is anything the heart uses to find sexual expression outside of God’s intended design for relational intimacy. It is anything that tempts and corrupts the human heart into desiring sensual pleasure in sinful ways.*

Just as you said to someone else that they could not read someone’s mind, neither can you, so you also can’t be sure of what might have been another agenda in writing this play. Sex sells and is a money maker. It would not be as much of a money maker if someone just stood up and talked about women’s issues or sex trafficking without mentioning the word vagina or telling sensual stories. This play is definitely outside of God’s intended design for relational intimacy. It might be making money to raise awareness for sex trafficking but there are much better ways.

I have also come to the conclusion I don’t have to convince you what it is because I realize that there are people who whether they realize what they are doing or not will defend this type of culture no matter what anyone says.

As someone else said the means does not justify the end.

Also, I won’t provide any more links to any more Catholics who would speak on the dignity of women or Catholics who fight against human sex trafficking because all you have to do is google “Catholics fight human sex trafficking” or “Catholics speak on the Dignity of women” and the links and websites are many. None of which who bring women down to just sexual body parts but elevate her to the position God intended. Catholics out there working to fight the sex culture and elevate human dignity are endless and doing great jobs.

 

[Sarcelle]

what is the purpose of them? Seems absurd to me to sit around acting out or narrating something like this. But then again, I’m a man.

That is the question I ask myself about this show and I’m a woman.