10 Rules for Talking to Gays

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Only the literal spoken word of our Lord Jesus Christ, the literal spoken word of the Lord, and the ten commandments are truly infallible.

How long have you been a Catholic? :confused:
 
sigh.

well, that’s quite a mouthful there. since that’s completely off-topic, however, might i advise that you (1) use the search feature to find all of the other hundreds of threads dealing with homosexuality; or, in the event that fails to enlighten you or address your concerns, and you feel really, totally driven and compelled to do so (2) start a new thread.
Ok:
God himself never openly condemned homosexuality, and ST Paul only really spoke about adultery and lust.
The men he spoke of left there wives to have have sex with each other, so St Pauls point was related to breaking the bonds with there wives.
 
**Ok:
God himself never openly condemned homosexuality, and ST Paul only really spoke about adultery and lust. **

I think you have never read the Bible except maybe at atheist websites? :confused:
 
Ok:
God himself never openly condemned homosexuality, and ST Paul only really spoke about adultery and lust.
25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
Romans 1:25-30, NIV
This teaching fits right into everything else about sexual morality in the Bible. Even if this passage did not exist there is till plenty there that tells us homosexual acts are wrong.
 
**Ok:
God himself never openly condemned homosexuality, and ST Paul only really spoke about adultery and lust. **

I think you have never read the Bible except maybe at atheist websites? :confused:
God did not write the bible himself thing you know.
For example Leviticus was written by the levites…
And calling me an atheist?
Please…
 
This teaching fits right into everything else about sexual morality in the Bible. Even if this passage did not exist there is till plenty there that tells us homosexual acts are wrong.
Leviticus was written by the levites, and not by god.
 
Leviticus was written by the levites, and not by god.
Romans 1:25-30, NIV
I left a notation so you would know where the quote came from…that is from the New Testament in the book Romans written by Paul. I never quoted Leviticus.

You noted that you only take Jesus’ words and the Ten Commandments at face value. The problem with that is that we have no first hand accounts of Jesus’ words from Jesus himself. Leviticus was written by the Levites and the four gospels were written by Apostles or for sure people other than Jesus. How do you know they didn’t mess a quote from Jesus up, especially if you believe the Levites messed something up? And if they were inspired to write the words of Jesus correctly why not the rest of what they wrote? Some people even claim the gospels were written by followers of the Apostles in some cases and not even by someone who had directly heard Jesus’ words himself.
 
I left a notation so you would know where the quote came from…that is from the New Testament in the book Romans written by Paul. I never quoted Leviticus.

You noted that you only take Jesus’ words and the Ten Commandments at face value. The problem with that is that we have no first hand accounts of Jesus’ words. Leviticus was written by the Levites and the four gospels were written by Apostles or for sure people other than Jesus. How do you know they didn’t mess a quote from Jesus up, especially if you believe the Levites messed something up? And if they were inspired to write the words of Jesus correctly why not the rest of what they wrote?
Leviticus says:
20:2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.

Where our lord said:

“Let him who is without sin cast the first stone”. Scripture: John 8:1-11
And of course the ten commandments forbid killing of all kinds.
 
Originally Posted by michelleds
sigh.
well, that’s quite a mouthful there. since that’s completely off-topic, however, might i advise that you (1) use the search feature to find all of the other hundreds of threads dealing with homosexuality; or, in the event that fails to enlighten you or address your concerns, and you feel really, totally driven and compelled to do so (2) start a new thread.
Ok:
God himself never openly condemned homosexuality, and ST Paul only really spoke about adultery and lust.
The men he spoke of left there wives to have have sex with each other, so St Pauls point was related to breaking the bonds with there wives.

It is STILL OFF TOPIC. this topic, as stated in the thread title, is how to talk to gays or evangelization. Not the right/wrong of homosexuality. please use the search function or start a new thread.
 
It is STILL OFF TOPIC. this topic, as stated in the thread title, is how to talk to gays or evangelization. Not the right/wrong of homosexuality. please use the search function or start a new thread.
All i am saying is that one should dress homosexuals the same way as one would any other man or women.
After all we are all sinners.
 
It is STILL OFF TOPIC. this topic, as stated in the thread title, is how to talk to gays or evangelization. Not the right/wrong of homosexuality. please use the search function or start a new thread.
Its not that off-topic really. Forum rules do not require us to stick strictly to the actual topic/question. People’s own opinions of homosexuality are going to come out.

Now, if we were talking about vegetables, that would be a different matter.
 
All i am saying is that one should dress homosexuals the same way as one would any other man or women.
After all we are all sinners.
I agree. We should definitely dress everyone in the same way. We all put our pants on one leg at a time.
 
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Snakes slither under rocks only to come back. **

Indeed they do! 👍
 
All i am saying is that one should dress homosexuals the same way as one would any other man or women.
After all we are all sinners.
But your argument implies that they are not sinners since Jesus Himself didn’t condemn them (according to your interpretation)
Do you mean that we are all under original sin? Yes!
Do you assert that we should not correct them because homosexuality is not a sin in your very thin Bible? No!
 
Ora
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Then I would say carry out that obligation with great wisdom because if you mis-choose your words or are overly harsh and drive the person even further from God, then you have done no better than someone who simply validates their lifestyle.**

I would not say Jesus was overly harsh in driving the moneychangers from the temple. His method may have had little effect, may even have driven them farther away from God, since it was probably yet another reason why he was made a victim of judicial murder.
We are not Jesus however, and do not possess His authority over places of worship, at least as part of the laity, and we’re not trying to chase moneychangers out of a temple, but simply trying to relate charitably to fellow sinners.
Of course your point is well taken. Sodomites are broken people, and they have to be put back together very carefully if they can be put back together at all.
But so are we all to some extent. We rarely see threads on how to “evangelize” or “cure” alcoholics, tax cheats, people with personality disorders, etc. We seem to focus mostly on sexual matters on the “moral theology” forum, and homosexuality in particular. There’s more to moral theology, and sin, than sexual sin.
But I think much of the problem with the world today is that outrage has been muffled by political correctness.Christians cannot pray in the classroom, but homosexuality can be advanced by the teachers, and has been advanced to the point of punishing students who object.
This isn’t really relevant to the discussion on how to relate to individual homosexuals. It’s a separate issue that perhaps merits its own thread.
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Here’s something I read recently in a book by Richard Rohr:**

Having read one book by Richard Rohr, I have tried not to read any more. 😉
No doubt many do, from what I’ve read around here. Be that as it may, those three filters struck me as being a pretty practical guide to speak to anybody, and I wanted to give credit where credit is due. Because even if you disagree with him, he does have some good things to say alongside the questionable ones, just as a homosexual person, sexually active or not has some good in him or her.

And that’s the main thrust of my point, that we are to consider the entire person in relating to them, not just their sexuality, and in any event, preaching to someone about their sexuality, without having walked a mile in their shoes, probably isn’t very useful.

So we should focus on our own inner conversion, lead as holy a life as possible, and let that holiness speak for itself.

I certainly figure that my own battles with sin are exhausting enough without taking the burden of others on my shoulders, in areas outside my competence. As someone said earlier on the thread, we’re not their therapists, so their sexuality shouldn’t really be relevant in how we relate to them unless they’re propositioning us… and then we need just politely decline and move on.

Certainly though, if a gay person does want us to somehow “validate” their sexuality or sexual activity, it’s because somewhere inside them there’s a seed of doubt. So we need to tread carefully lest we close the door entirely on their potential conversion, and shouldn’t use a sledgehammer to drive the point home. At least where I live I think I’d gain more mileage by simply taking them to the local abbey and let them drink in the beauty of the Gregorian chant, and hope the beauty of the Church sinks in and makes them more inquisitive.

Homosexuality is a cross to bear, and we should be helping them bear it… not by validating their lifestyle but being kind and gentle with them and maybe being someone willing to listen, to offer them a safe haven to be heard without being judged, or pressured.
 
Outside of #4 which I do not have enough information to support, I think this list is helpful. Part of the reason I converted to Catholicism is the really good laymen and priests who answered my questions and didn’t get hostile like the fundamentalists I was used to dealing with (and, at one time, was). I love being surrounded by people who are too busy loving the Lord and following Him to have the time or energy to hate others.
 
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