100% of Florida Sheriffs Refuse to Enforce federal Gun Bans

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What pops into your mind when you hear ‘assault weapon?’
What pops into most peoples mind is what they’ve been conditioned to think by those with an agenda to ban guns in general. let’s start by creating something scary.

Sorry, I’m not buying it. After watching the following video, the first thing that pops into my mind is a spatula

youtube.com/watch?v=N-36SMjAUCc
 
Because it’s in Wiki does not make it true.

“Assualt Weapons” are used as everyday hunting weapons. This is a term coined by the left. A .22 can be considered an “Assualt Weapon” by some leftists.

Don’t use their term againt yourself.😉

That’s how they make abortion bearable to most. Just think fetus.:mad:
Sorry for the confusion but you responded that “assault weapons” were already highly regulated and they are not. And you are right, it’s a made up marketing term.
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Please someone give me a good reason that a private citizen needs an assault weapon beyond the fact that they think it is cool.
This is already regulated and requires a special license.
The trouble here is that you don’t know what an assault weapons is and you refuse to listen
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See, they’re trying to cause confusion…and it’s working.
 
What pops into most peoples mind is what they’ve been conditioned to think by those with an agenda to ban guns in general. let’s start by creating something scary.

Sorry, I’m not buying it. After watching the following video, the first thing that pops into my mind is a spatula

youtube.com/watch?v=N-36SMjAUCc
When I hear a person use the term “assault weapon” I automatically assume I’m about to hear left wing droning about a subject they know nothing about.
 
Sorry for the confusion but you responded that “assault weapons” were already highly regulated and they are not. And you are right, it’s a made up marketing term.

See, they’re trying to cause confusion…and it’s working.
Yes, since there really in no such thing as an “assault weapon”.😉

Sorry if I added any confusion.
 
Between a good guy such as a cop with a gun getting a shot off to stop the shooter and the cop being taken out before he can fire. These are my main concerns.
What happens when its a cop shooting people?

The worlds most successful spree killer (until Breivek came along) was a South Korean on duty police officer named Woo Bum-Kon. 57 dead 35 wounded in 1982. He used an m2 carbine and hand grenades.

Plenty of other instances of trigger happy cops blowing almost always unarmed people away.

Why would you trust them with weapons and not me?
 
Yes, since there really in no such thing as an “assault weapon”.😉

Sorry if I added any confusion.
No problem, I’m an old fart and this vague term is new to me also What ever happened to the days when there were machine guns and plain old guns. If you owned a machine gun you were either a revenuer or a crook. If you owned a gun…big deal, so do a lot of people. It’s my opinion those who don’t like guns and wold like them banned are using the “divide and conquer” method of categorizing and labeling everything so they can start eliminating one category at a time. What these people don’t understand is freedom is fought for and you don’t bring a knife to a gunfight. Our Constitution was bought and paid for by many lives and we have the audacity to tinker with it. Tinker with the Second Amendment and which one will be next. We didn’t negotiate our freedom, we fought for it with guns. If guns go…say goodbye to freedom.
 
Well that is the way you see it, and I am obviously not going to be able to change your mind. However, when as many people are dying from guns as they are today, there is a moral obligation to do something.

Please someone give me a good reason that a private citizen needs an assault weapon beyond the fact that they think it is cool.
Gun deaths are actually one of the least common causes of death in the country. More people die from malpractice than from gun violence every year. Are you ready to ban doctors?
 
Wrong again. Less than 5% of the population of one very famous English Colony expelled the world’s greatest fighting force at the time with simple hunting arms.
Actually, the Kentucky Rifle is a far superior weapon to the Brown Bess. It is lighter and far more accurate. The Bess (or Land Design Service Musket) was faster to load, but its effective range was about 50 yards. An experienced shooter (hunter) with an American Long Rifle could easily be lethal out to 200 yards.
 
Actually, the Kentucky Rifle is a far superior weapon to the Brown Bess. It is lighter and far more accurate. The Bess (or Land Design Service Musket) was faster to load, but its effective range was about 50 yards. An experienced shooter (hunter) with an American Long Rifle could easily be lethal out to 200 yards.
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But don’t take our word for it, you all; google Daniel Morgan + battle of cowpens. Bunch of us country folk sent Banistre Tarleton & his -]cavalry/-] bully boys running for cover, without any of us even breaking a sweat.
I would imagine the:rolleyes: Tarleton entourage sweat plenty, running for cover just in time to see **more **armed Americans.
 
The anatomy of a gun thread:
They usually start with a media report, sometimes the poster gives an opinion, sometimes he/she leaves it open ended.
Self defense is brought up, the police are always mentioned. The phrase “when seconds count, the cops are minutes away” is quoted and someone asks why an assault weapo/rifle is needed th defend oneself.
Several pages are typed trying to explain what an assault rifle is and why it differs from whatever an assault weapon is and the hi cap clip/mag is debated. In several it’s asked if you need an assault weapon, why not a fighter plane or tank.
The Second Amendment an the importance of the Constitution is introduced and as testosterone starts running low and the thread starts to fizzle the posts have less emotion in them…and before it dies, Bess is usually brought up.
And it dies…

I gotta go shoot some skwerl
 
What happens when its a cop shooting people?

The worlds most successful spree killer (until Breivek came along) was a South Korean on duty police officer named Woo Bum-Kon. 57 dead 35 wounded in 1982. He used an m2 carbine and hand grenades.

Plenty of other instances of trigger happy cops blowing almost always unarmed people away.

Why would you trust them with weapons and not me?
Yes, because one Korean officer did that once, all police are trigger happy and want to shoot innocent people. :rolleyes: Do you really believe that “almost always” the police shoot unarmed people? Keep living in your own little world.
 
Your lack of an explanation.

What pops into to your mind?

Besides baseless “trends”?
The AR15, the AK models; either military, or military replica. The replicas are the guns most easily accessed by mass shooters. Law enforcement, politicians, news media, and the general public all think of those type guns as ‘assault weapons.’ Will semantics make any difference, honestly? I don’t think so.

I guess it’s a matter of opinion. The most recent mass shootings, where shooters have taken up the AR15, seems to be a legitimate trend, based on reality.
 
“Another confused person who doesn’t know what they’re talking about”

That’s the thing that immediately pops into my mind.
Does it make it better when the AR15 is specifically identified without any reference to assault weapon?
 
Yet, no one has yet indicated that I am using assault weapon incorrectly.

When I say assault weapon I am talking about a rapid fire weapon with a high-capacity clip/magazine.
Assault Weapon is a legal term. It means whatever the law says it means- some of the laws being pushed define it as ANY semi-automatic weapon. So, you can really only use it correctly if we put it in context, which jurisdiction and which law being contemplated?

For example, in CA it currently means the following rifles, pistols and shotguns-
As used in this chapter, “assault weapon” shall mean the following designated
semiautomatic firearms:

(a) All of the following specified** rifles**:
(1) All AK series including, but not limited to,
the models identified as follows:
(A) Made in China AK, AKM, AKS, AK47,
AK47S, 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S.
(B) Norinco 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S.
(C) Poly Technologies AKS and AK47.
(D) MAADI AK47 and ARM.
(2) UZI and Galil.
(3) Beretta AR-70.
(4) CETME Sporter.
(5) Colt AR-15 series.
(6) Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR110 C.
(7) Fabrique Nationale FAL, LAR, FNC, 308 Match, and Sporter.
(8) MAS 223.
(9) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, and HK-PSG-1
(10) The following MAC types:
(A) RPB Industries Inc. sM10 and sM11.
(B) SWD Incorporated M11.
(11) SKS with detachable magazine.
(12) SIG AMT, PE-57, SG 550, and SG 551.
(13) Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48.
(14) Sterling MK-6.
(15) Steyer AUG.
(16) Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78S.
(17) Armalite AR-180. 90 90
(18) Bushmaster Assault Rifle.
(19) Calico M-900.
(20) J&R ENG M-68.
(21) Weaver Arms Nighthawk.
(b) All of the following specified pistols:
(1) UZI.
(2) Encom MP-9 and MP-45.
(3) The following MAC types:
(A) RPB Industries Inc. sM10 and sM11.
(B) SWD Incorporated M-11.
(C) Advance Armament Inc. M-11.
(D) Military Armament Corp. Ingram M-11.
(4) Intratec TEC-9.
(5) Sites Spectre.
(6) Sterling MK-7.
(7) Calico M-950.
(8) Bushmaster Pistol.
(c) All of the following specified** shotguns**:
(1) Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12.
(2) Striker 12.
(3) The Streetsweeper type S/S Inc. SS/12.
(d) Any firearm declared by the court pursuant to Section 12276.5 to be an assault weapon that is specified as an assault weapon in a list promulgated pursuant to Section 12276.5.
(e) The term “series” includes all other models that are only variations, with minor differences, of those models listed in subdivision (a), regardless of the manufacturer.
(f) This section is declaratory of existing law, as amended, and a clarification of the law and the Legislature’s intent which bans the weapons enumerated in this section, the weapons included in the list promulgated by the Attorney General pursuant to
Section 12276.5, and any other models which are only variations of those weapons with minor differences, regardless of the manufacturer. The Legislature has
defined assault weapons as the types, series, and models listed in this section because it was the most effective way to identify and restrict a specific class of
semiautomatic weapons.
12276.1.
(a) Notwithstanding Section 12276,
“assault weapon” shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except
a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
(b) The Legislature finds a significant public purpose in exempting pistols that are designed expressly for use in Olympic target shooting events. Therefore,
those pistols that are sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by USA Shooting, the national governing body for international shooting competition
in the United States, and that are used for Olympic target shooting purposes at the time the act adding this subdivision is enacted, and that would otherwise fall
within the definition of “assault weapon” pursuant to this section are exempt, as provided in subdivision (c).
(c) “Assault weapon” does not include either of the following:
(1) Any antique firearm.
(2) Any of the following pistols, because they are consistent with the significant public purpose expressed in subdivision (b): …

(Police get interpreting this law wrong on a fairly regular basis. Arrest folks for weapons the CA DOJ has determined aren’t assault weapons)
 
The AR15, the AK models; either military, or military replica. The replicas are the guns most easily accessed by mass shooters. Law enforcement, politicians, news media, and the general public all think of those type guns as ‘assault weapons.’ Will semantics make any difference, honestly? I don’t think so.

I guess it’s a matter of opinion. The most recent mass shootings, where shooters have taken up the AR15, seems to be a legitimate trend, based on reality.
Yes, your position is one of mere opinion based on a politically manufactured “trend” that bears no effective relevance to murder rates in general. And in fact, your politically motivated talking points ignore the most salient “trend” of all - the trend of HAND GUN murders.

So once again:

According to FBI data, in 2010:

6,009 murders were committed with HAND GUNS

358 were committed with rifles (of various types not limited to “assault” rifles)

washingtonexaminer.com/if-you…6#.UNOSLrb4-pF

So again I ask you, why the emphasis on the politically defined and maligned “assault weapons”?
 
The most recent mass shootings, where shooters have taken up the AR15, seems to be a legitimate trend, based on reality.
A “legitimate trend”?

Really?

Evidence please.

Oh look, I found some evidence to the contrary. Let’s riddle out those pesky numbers - shall we?

"Myth: Mass shootings are on the rise.

Reality: Over the past three decades, there has been an average of 20 mass shootings a year in the United States, each with at least four victims killed by gunfire. Occasionally, and mostly by sheer coincidence, several episodes have been clustered closely in time. Over all, however, there has not been an upward trajectory. To the contrary, the real growth has been in the style and pervasiveness of news-media coverage, thanks in large part to technological advances in reporting."

chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2012/12/18/top-10-myths-about-mass-shootings/

So you see, the actual “trend” here is politically motivated media hysteria.

But say now, you wouldn’t by any chance be a politically motivated hack hiding behind the guise of “concern” and an elevated saint-like sense of righteous moral outrage would you?

No. Surely not.

Was it wrong of me to even ponder such a thing?
 
The Newtown shooter was in the school for 1’200 seconds. Do you really think a couple seconds would have made any difference whatsoever?
I honestly don’t know if it would have made a difference in that one particular case or not. Do I think it would make a difference in a lot of cases, yes I do.
 
Provided that there is anyone left alive after the multiple minutes it takes the police to actually arrive.

I assume you would also like to limit HAND GUNS to one single shot per fire - right?
There are a lot of public places that have police on site or close by. So every situation is different. This is not a problem that is going to be solved with a one size fits all solution and trying to boil it down to that just isn’t going to work.

For your second question, I am not sure what you are asking. Are you saying limit handguns to one round per trigger pull? If so, yes, limit all civilian guns to one shot per trigger pull. I believe that this is already the case. I am not aware of any automatic weapons that are currently legal unless they had been purchased before 1987 I believe.
 
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