11 Year old sex change from lesbian mothers

[divinelight]

I really think this is going to be my last post. I can’t believe how hateful and ignorant the majority of people on this thread are. It’s obvious none of you have any knowledge of gender/sexuality, and the only thing you are good at is alienating people.

I was born Catholic and still am. I was born transgender and bisexual, and still am. My attempt in coming on here was to try and get a feel for how the majority of Catholics feel, and honestly, it makes me sick.

I feel completely rejected and alienated, and I can only imagine how others like me feel. I can only hope to somehow find a Christian community that will accept and celebrate my identity- not oppress, stigmatize, and attack it.

It really breaks my heart to realize that the religion I have been born into, and fell in love with, is incongruent with who I am.

 

[Peggy_in_Burien]

I really think this is going to be my last post. I can’t believe how hateful and ignorant the majority of people on this thread are. It’s obvious none of you have any knowledge of gender/sexuality, and the only thing you are good at is alienating people.

I was born Catholic and still am. I was born transgender and bisexual, and still am. My attempt in coming on here was to try and get a feel for how the majority of Catholics feel, and honestly, it makes me sick.

I feel completely rejected and alienated, and I can only imagine how others like me feel. I can only hope to somehow find a Christian community that will accept and celebrate my identity- not oppress, stigmatize, and attack it.

It really breaks my heart to realize that the religion I have been born into, and fell in love with, is incongruent with who I am.

I feel sorry for you if this is truely your cross to bear. All of us have crosses and many of us are born with them. We take our crosses and live within the rules of our Catholic faith. We do not try to twist the Catholic faith to our will.

I will pray for you, and hope you stop playing the pity card.

 

[John21652]

I really think this is going to be my last post. I can’t believe how hateful and ignorant the majority of people on this thread are. It’s obvious none of you have any knowledge of gender/sexuality, and the only thing you are good at is alienating people.

I was born Catholic and still am. I was born transgender and bisexual, and still am. My attempt in coming on here was to try and get a feel for how the majority of Catholics feel, and honestly, it makes me sick.

I feel completely rejected and alienated, and I can only imagine how others like me feel. I can only hope to somehow find a Christian community that will accept and celebrate my identity- not oppress, stigmatize, and attack it.

It really breaks my heart to realize that the religion I have been born into, and fell in love with, is incongruent with who I am.

Oh come on divinelight, no-one here is posting anything ‘hateful’. We are questioning what you post and nothing more or less.

Until you made this post, I had no idea of your sexual/gender issues, or whatever they are. I am focused on those aspects of your posts that I underlined one page back and around which I asked a couple of questions. You have evaded and avoided answering them.

I picked up on your left wing feminism quite quickly. Doing so and being critical of it has nothing to do with ‘hating’ anyone, or anything. And I stand by my statement that it clouds your responses. Perhaps you have been taught to think that way, I don’t know. I will say this, however, that it doesn’t ‘fit’ with Catjholicism too well, if at all.

You need to learn that robust debate does not mean anyone ‘hates’ anyone else. Taking you to task over what you write does not equal ‘hating’.
If you dissapear, then it will be you who is doing the alienating and no-one else.

Now, c’mon and have a crack at answering those questions I asked as best you can.

 

[Dale_M]

My attempt in coming on here was to try and get a feel for how the majority of Catholics feel, and honestly, it makes me sick.

DL, please do not mistake the opinions voiced here, or in any online forum, as representing the majority view of Catholics. The view expressed are only those of a self-selected group of Catholics… those who have chosen to both join and post here. In general, the membership of Catholic Answers Forums skews very much conservative on political and social issues. And the people who post in the News forums are an even more select group. They do not even represent the majority of CAF members. If you were to post in a different forum, you would hear from different members and perhaps read different views.

The Catholic Church does not have an explicit policy on transsexualism. However, I think the mainstream of thinking in the Church is very uncomfortable with the idea of transsexualism because it calls into question the nature of man and woman. Much of Church thought is predicated on the idea of man and woman having equal but complementary natures. So people in the Church will be very wary of anything which appears to be calling into question the objective division between male and female.

I believe there is an objective basis for transsexualism and that it is not purely subjective. However, the science of understanding transsexualism is in its infancy. As such, research studies pointing to the objective nature of transsexualism are limited in number and often have low sample sizes.

I am not sure that any Christian denomination is fully accepting of transsexualism. However, I do not doubt that you will find individual congregations, even Catholic congregations, who are accepting. I would like to encourage you to remain in the Church. It is often said that we all have crosses to bear, and perhaps one cross is to bear witness to others. But that is a heavy cross, and not one I would impose on anyone.

 

[GraceSofia]

My attempt in coming on here was to try and get a feel for how the majority of Catholics feel, and honestly, it makes me sick.

Based on your first post in this thread (and on the forum, I believe), I would say that your attempt in coming on here was to lecture Catholics about how wrong we are.

Firstly, please respect her gender by referring to her with proper pronouns. Reading through this thread, there seems to be a crippling deficit in understanding of gender, sexuality, and psychology/psychiatry.

1. This is definitely not child abuse. It is not like these parents are just randomly making the decision to allow their daughter to transition. Physicians and psychologists must perform in-depth assessments and other treatment methods, over a long period of time, before authorizing a physical transition. Remember, hormones are not just an over-the-counter drug; they are prescribed by a physician through recommendations of a team of healthcare providers.

1. Her same-sex parents have nothing to do with her gender identity. Plenty, I’d even venture to say most, transgender youth have opposite-sex parents and grow up in “heterosexual, cisgendger” households. There is absolutely no evidence suggesting any causation or correlation between the gender and sexuality of parents in relation to the gender identity of the child.

1. Transitioning genders, a social construct relative only to humans, is completely different from trying to change species. This is a simple point and if people can’t at least understand this, I have lost all hope in humanity.

1. The parents aren’t transitioning- the child is. If you have reason to believe that this child’s team of licensed healthcare providers are forcing hormones upon this child, for reasons other than the treatment of gender dysphoria and gender identity disorder (such as propaganda), then I strongly encourage you to report them to the appropriate law enforcement agency.

1. Yes, you must be 18 years old to vote, smoke, etc… but you can be any age to receive competent medical treatment. Gender dysphoria and gender identity disorder are legitimate conditions that require treatment.

1. Santi2: Your comment shows your complete ignorance regarding gender. Here’s the simple version: Gender is a social construct, it refers to the cultural and social gestures, attitudes, and characteristics assigned to a biological sex. Being a woman is not necessarily contingent upon the sex one was assigned at birth. Going off of your logic, a woman who does not have all of her reproductive organs or is sterile will always be wanting and is not a full woman.

1. This wouldn’t be done to a dog. You are anthropomorphizing dogs if you believe that they have gender.

Educate yourselves on gender identity. Don’t forget that these are people, made in the image and likeness of God, and deserve human dignity and compassion. I beg all of you to please model yourselves after Jesus and saints such as St. Francis of Assisi and Mother Theresa when dealing with people that stir up some deep seeded biases.

If you want to know what the Catholic teaching is in this area, this was probably the wrong thread to jump into. You would do better to ask some questions. You will find the Church is very compassionate towards all her members, who all sin in some way, shape, or form.

 

[Job42]

I really think this is going to be my last post. I can’t believe how hateful and ignorant the majority of people on this thread are. It’s obvious none of you have any knowledge of gender/sexuality, and the only thing you are good at is alienating people.

I was born Catholic and still am. I was born transgender and bisexual, and still am. My attempt in coming on here was to try and get a feel for how the majority of Catholics feel, and honestly, it makes me sick.

I feel completely rejected and alienated, and I can only imagine how others like me feel. I can only hope to somehow find a Christian community that will accept and celebrate my identity- not oppress, stigmatize, and attack it.

It really breaks my heart to realize that the religion I have been born into, and fell in love with, is incongruent with who I am.

You will be in my prayers. We don’t all want to alienate you, honestly. But you must accept that the Church cannot and never will celebrate this. You are not your sexual preference. You are a son/daughter of God who was immeasurably loved by Him since before the creation of the universe. You will always encounter people who are abrasive and standoffish when talking to proponents of same sex attraction and people who have it but I hope your love for the Church and for Truth is stronger than that. Jesus broke bread with the sinners, but He did not celebrate their sin. But more than anything else, He loved them with his prayers, words, and above all with his actions, which is something the rest of us can always do better.

 

[Dale_M]

But you must accept that the Church cannot and never will celebrate this. You are not your sexual preference. You are a son/daughter of God who was immeasurably loved by Him since before the creation of the universe. You will always encounter people who are abrasive and standoffish when talking to proponents of same sex attraction and people who have it

Job, thank you for the soothing words. I have worried that other responses were unnecessarily harsh.

I would like to point out, however, that transsexualism has nothing to do with sexual orientation. They are completely unrelated and I think it is important that we avoid that confusion.

 

[Peggy_in_Burien]

Job, thank you for the soothing words. I have worried that other responses were unnecessarily harsh.

I would like to point out, however, that transsexualism has nothing to do with sexual orientation. They are completely unrelated and I think it is important that we avoid that confusion.

Sometimes the truth sounds harsh, but usually to the person who doesn’t want to hear it. I know, because it sounds harsh to me when the truth is told to me.

I didn’t mean to sound harsh, but I was asked questions and I answered them.

 

[Robert_Bay]

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I had to delete some posts. Please charitably discuss the issues, not each other