14 Illegal Things You're Probably Doing on the Internet

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You’re painting with a pretty broad brush here. The last illegal thing I remember doing was cutting the “Do Not Remove” tag off my mattress.
 
So, in other words, we’re all guilty of breaking the law at some point. Probably multiple times a day for most of us.

mashable.com/2013/08/22/illegal-internet-activity/

Yay, over-regulation!
Where I live carrier locking of phones is illegal. It may also be illegal in the EU. I hold dual citizenship so I can flip flop haha.

It’s also not illegal everywhere to view copyrighted materials for personal use.

Likewise EULAS are often non binding. MS says by signing you accept this, EC said tough MS, you can get out of Europe or you’ll comply.

I find copyright and patent issues a joke. Nobody is paying loyalties to the Italians and Greeks for stealing their law and system of government, now? Did Disney pay the Brothers Grimm? Did they pay the people who made Lion King or Rudyard Kipling who created Jungle Book? The guy who wrote the Imperial March for Star Wars, Williams. Did he pay Sergei Prokofiev for ripping him off? And so on.
 
I don’t do any of those things. And if you read carefully you can see why some of them are illegal.
 
Although several of the items in that list are illegal, most are not. Granted, many are in a grey area which means they might become illegal in the future, but that is a very different thing.
 
So, in other words, we’re all guilty of breaking the law at some point. Probably multiple times a day for most of us.

mashable.com/2013/08/22/illegal-internet-activity/

Yay, over-regulation!
I should care about these more than I do. Some of them I definitely understand, and others… Ehhh. I don’t really understand how making a gif out of like 1 second of footage is harmful. (I don’t actually make gifs, I’m just saying.)

I do understand how harmful more direct copyright violation is, but I also think the current system is pretty ridiculous. Wish they’d find a way to distribute works without making people pay a small fortune for DVD’s. I don’t mind watching stuff with ads, but most of the shows I like get pulled from TV pretty fast. Sigh…
 
Did Disney pay the Brothers Grimm? Did they pay the people who made Lion King or Rudyard Kipling who created Jungle Book? The guy who wrote the Imperial March for Star Wars, Williams. Did he pay Sergei Prokofiev for ripping him off? And so on.
All of the things you mentioned were and are public domain. It is like how suddenly there are a bunch of things about the Wizard of Oz coming out. The movie rights just recently became public domain. It is also why a lot of videogame and movie companies re-release things about about 10-15 years. Most copyrights only last at most 20 years.
 
All of the things you mentioned were and are public domain. It is like how suddenly there are a bunch of things about the Wizard of Oz coming out. The movie rights just recently became public domain. It is also why a lot of videogame and movie companies re-release things about about 10-15 years. Most copyrights only last at most 20 years.
Really? I heard it was the lifespan of the creator + 70 years, which is way too long IMO (unless we’re going to change the rules about derivative fiction).
 
GIFs and memes are gray areas. First off, let it be known that most GIFs out there aren’t illegal. GIF is really just another file format for animations and static pictures, and one I’ve actually used in homework before. (Oh, I have to represent a 3-D graph in some way? Looks like I’m making my own GIF)

Also, memes (probably) count under fair use. Similar to how most authors are fine with fan works. Some people even take fan works into account when making new material. You know how Kim Possible’s parents are James Timothy Possible and Anne Possible? Yep. A fan had that idea first.

And finally, an interesting observation about TV shows on Youtube. They know. Back to Kim Possible, you can find almost every single episode online. Note that I said “almost”. Disney has gotten them to take So The Drama off. But every other episode remains, and I would be very surprised if they didn’t know this.
 
All of the things you mentioned were and are public domain. It is like how suddenly there are a bunch of things about the Wizard of Oz coming out. The movie rights just recently became public domain. It is also why a lot of videogame and movie companies re-release things about about 10-15 years. Most copyrights only last at most 20 years.
They were public domain but they need not have been. You are following these artificial social constructs as though they’re valid.

All of a sudden a someone thought, “great, we can steal someone else’s work then resell it and if someone does what we did, we’ll cry Copyright infrigement”. That’s essentially what it is.

Remember before the late middle ages there was no concept of copyright or intellectual property. You were a bard, you heard a song in some town, you traveled home and you played it to others for money. Nobody sued you. These days the smallest amount of modification of stolen material and it’s suddenly intellectual property. It’s very convenient for some.

For generations people retold these stories - some of which Grimm brothers and others collected. They did not charge each other copyright. Along came Disney and others and simply stole from common heritage and culture. And it’s not like all authors and writers don’t imitate others.
 
You’re painting with a pretty broad brush here. The last illegal thing I remember doing was cutting the “Do Not Remove” tag off my mattress.
Well, the consumer of the mattress is allowed to remove it.
 
Really? I heard it was the lifespan of the creator + 70 years, which is way too long IMO (unless we’re going to change the rules about derivative fiction).
They could make it 10000 years. It’s still based on stolen work. It’s akin to a thief “pimping” a car and reselling it. Oh but he should be paid. Well in real life he wouldn’t be paid at all, the rightful owner would get the car back, pimped up or not.
 
They could make it 10000 years. It’s still based on stolen work. It’s akin to a thief “pimping” a car and reselling it. Oh but he should be paid. Well in real life he wouldn’t be paid at all, the rightful owner would get the car back, pimped up or not.
I don’t really understand the analogy, but I think I agree with you, since you said upthread that copyright and intellectual property were artificial ideas.

The modern system of copyright is broken, and stunts creativity rather than protecting it. That’s the point of copyright in the first place- encouraging creativity by making sure people get some kind of compensation for being creative, rather than allowing huge companies to just steal everybody’s work and sell it as their own.

The problem I run into is that while I disagree with the strict version of copyright infringement I was taught about in school, I still want to obey the law. But the law here is murky and hasn’t been defined very well since the internet changed the way fandom and derivative works operate. So I’m not really sure what is allowed and what isn’t, and which ways of engaging with media are moral.
 
I don’t really understand the analogy, but I think I agree with you, since you said upthread that copyright and intellectual property were artificial ideas.

The modern system of copyright is broken, and stunts creativity rather than protecting it. That’s the point of copyright in the first place- encouraging creativity by making sure people get some kind of compensation for being creative, rather than allowing huge companies to just steal everybody’s work and sell it as their own.
This is more or less happening anyway. But for me, it’s immoral to all of the sudden say, ok we cut off here. Everything before this is up for grabs, but afterward, it’s yours. And then people really think the ideas they stole or copied from others’ are theirs. That’s absurd. And it’s not as if people don’t profit already. You’re a dentist. You work you eat. You don’t work you don’t eat. You’re a writer. You rip off a public domain work and others’ experiences and you then get paid for 70 years? Is that right? Maybe it is, but then there should be NO PUBLIC DOMAIN at all. That PUBLIC DOMAIN is appropriated property, unless it’s given away willingly.
The problem I run into is that while I disagree with the strict version of copyright infringement I was taught about in school, I still want to obey the law. But the law here is murky and hasn’t been defined very well since the internet changed the way fandom and derivative works operate. So I’m not really sure what is allowed and what isn’t, and which ways of engaging with media are moral.
Remember Nazis also wanted to obey the law. Many were hanged at Nuremberg and elsewhere. A law does not make something right, IMHO. Especially when it’s short sighted and arbitrary.

I would not have a problem with Disney following copyrights, just that 80% of their profits should go back to the people who’s stories these originally were. If these were European peasants and their descendants all over the world, then so be it. Most civilised countries like to follow demoracy, have laws based on Roman law, etc. Well the people of Greece and Italy would benefit from licensing fees. Mr Blair, Mr Sarkozy or Mr Bush/Obama want to export democracy to Afghanistan, well they should pay Greece first. And so on and on. Fair is fair.

But if a thief takes a car without paying for it, pimps it up, or say he buys a house but then can’t make payments, the bank will sell it for the lowest/quickest fee it can to recoup their own losses. You can’t then say, the guy deserved to have been paid more for his house, he installed granite floors, gold plated fittings, etc. Tough. He had no right to use that raw house/land/car in the first place.
 
This is more or less happening anyway. But for me, it’s immoral to all of the sudden say, ok we cut off here. Everything before this is up for grabs, but afterward, it’s yours. And then people really think the ideas they stole or copied from others’ are theirs. That’s absurd.
I still don’t really understand your position. The point of copyright, patents, etc. is to reward those that do creative or innovative work, and make sure they get proper compensation for all the effort they put in. I don’t really believe that people should (or even can) have ownership of ideas, but I do acknowledge that we need to have some way of rewarding artists for their work. Even though all creative work builds on ideas that came before it, putting those ideas into novels, art, etc. is hard work, and people should be paid for it.

On the other hand, there are lots of people who want to make derivative works for sheer enjoyment, and I see no reason why we should not allow them to do so if they aren’t taking money away from the original creators.
Remember Nazis also wanted to obey the law. Many were hanged at Nuremberg and elsewhere. A law does not make something right, IMHO. Especially when it’s short sighted and arbitrary.
Point me to the copyright martyrs, and I’ll join your revolution. Until then, I think we need to do our best to change laws we disagree with without doing anything illegal. Or anything definitely illegal, anyway.
 
This is more or less happening anyway. But for me, it’s immoral to all of the sudden say, ok we cut off here. Everything before this is up for grabs, but afterward, it’s yours. And then people really think the ideas they stole or copied from others’ are theirs. That’s absurd. And it’s not as if people don’t profit already. You’re a dentist. You work you eat. You don’t work you don’t eat. You’re a writer. You rip off a public domain work and others’ experiences and you then get paid for 70 years? Is that right? Maybe it is, but then there should be NO PUBLIC DOMAIN at all. That PUBLIC DOMAIN is appropriated property, unless it’s given away willingly.

Remember Nazis also wanted to obey the law. Many were hanged at Nuremberg and elsewhere. A law does not make something right, IMHO. Especially when it’s short sighted and arbitrary.

I would not have a problem with Disney following copyrights, just that 80% of their profits should go back to the people who’s stories these originally were. If these were European peasants and their descendants all over the world, then so be it. Most civilised countries like to follow demoracy, have laws based on Roman law, etc. Well the people of Greece and Italy would benefit from licensing fees. Mr Blair, Mr Sarkozy or Mr Bush/Obama want to export democracy to Afghanistan, well they should pay Greece first. And so on and on. Fair is fair.

But if a thief takes a car without paying for it, pimps it up, or say he buys a house but then can’t make payments, the bank will sell it for the lowest/quickest fee it can to recoup their own losses. You can’t then say, the guy deserved to have been paid more for his house, he installed granite floors, gold plated fittings, etc. Tough. He had no right to use that raw house/land/car in the first place.
Ahhh, OK. I think your position is actually the opposite of mine. I don’t think that artists and creators deserve to be compensated indefinitely. If I had my way, everything would enter the public domain in more like 20 or at most up to maybe 50 years from creation. You can still make a profit on it when it’s cutting-edge, but then you can’t hog your ideas to yourself anymore. You need to let other people have them so they can be refined and improved. I would also probably get rid of the ban on derivative works, because I think that stunts creativity, too. We can fiddle with the details, but I think that anything that stops ideas and works from being created, passed around, altered, and improved needs to be changed.

So, I would say that all of Disney’s creations before at least 1960 should be up for grabs by now, for everybody to use freely. Superman and Batman should be public domain characters. That kind of thing. It’s selfish of companies to hog stuff like that after it’s entered the public consciousness to such a large extent.

I mean, there could be some unforeseen complications of what I’m advocating. But since it’s how ideas naturally work, and the copyright system we have now is obviously silly, I’d rather take my chances.
 
I still don’t really understand your position. The point of copyright, patents, etc. is to reward those that do creative or innovative work, and make sure they get proper compensation for all the effort they put in.
Not sure how you don’t understand this. The purpose may or may not be what you say. Wasn’t the original purpose when the concept came into being to prevent copying of ideas, in print, that humanity has been doing since the beginning? But sure, we protect innovation. OK. But then WHO paid the people who Brothers’ Grimm stole from? And who paid Brothers’ Grimm? And how come if Disney and works creators can benefit from these things, why not so many of the creators? Why just let the most modern, politically well connected generations benefit? Because earlier generations had no concept of intellectual property? And if you base your work off something you’re morally not authorised to use, the law should follow that morality. Disney can profit from Snow White but then the people who’s heritage gave right to the Snow White originally should be paid loyalties too. They should be rewarded.
I don’t really believe that people should (or even can) have ownership of ideas, but I do acknowledge that we need to have some way of rewarding artists for their work. Even though all creative work builds on ideas that came before it, putting those ideas into novels, art, etc. is hard work, and people should be paid for it.
But the people who originally came up with these ideas worked just as hard or even harder. It’s harder to have an original idea than copy one. So I agree. But I want consistency.
On the other hand, there are lots of people who want to make derivative works for sheer enjoyment, and I see no reason why we should not allow them to do so if they aren’t taking money away from the original creators.
Point me to the copyright martyrs, and I’ll join your revolution. Until then, I think we need to do our best to change laws we disagree with without doing anything illegal. Or anything definitely illegal, anyway.
I’m not asking anyone to join a revolution. I’m just trying to be consistent and fair. If rewarding hard work today is fair, so should it be fair to reward hard work yesterday, especially as current “hard workers” are wanting to extend the protection of their hard work for longer and longer periods.

No need to have copyright martyrs. Although the Greeks are financially pretty badly off. Mr Hefner profits well from demoracy when his Playboy was legalised by public pressure or the like. Maybe he should pay a % of his profits.

A law by itself does not imply an act is moral. Laws in the Soviet Union outlawed religion and private property, while German WW2 laws outlawed Jews.

The way I see things, is that these laws are gimmicked by forces in power which are parasites on culture. It’s in their vested interest to uphold these laws. Maybe there should be no copyright or patent protection at all. I am willing to bet we’d get at least the same level of innovation. After all people somehow survived and did well before this whole thing. 🙂 The world did not start with the Berne Convention or the printing press. 🙂
 
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