2 Opus Dei followers on trial in France

[newlywed8]

news.yahoo.com/2-opus-dei-followers-trial-france-072624184.html

PARIS (AP) — Two Opus Dei followers and an association with close ties to the conservative Catholic group are going on trial in Paris on Thursday, accused of forcing a disciple to work for more than a decade with little or no pay.

Defense lawyers portray it as a case about labor law, and an Opus Dei spokeswoman says that the plaintiff chose of her own will to follow the group.

But the trial is expected to shine a spotlight on the secretive group’s practices. Dan Brown’s bestseller “The Da Vinci Code” painted Opus Dei as a murderous, power-hungry sect, a portrayal that the group vigorously protested. Opus Dei’s founder, Spanish priest Jose Maria Escriva de Balaguer, was made a saint by Pope John Paul II.

 

[Protector]

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Opus Dei’s founder, Spanish priest Jose Maria Escriva de Balaguer, was made a saint by Pope John Paul II.

Two questions :-

1 What are the pre-requisites for being made a “Saint” ?

2 How long does the process of Beatification take?

Protector.

 

[OchsFam]

But the trial is expected to shine a spotlight on the secretive group’s practices.

It is almost comical. Secretive practices? This is why there is a book written about the practices of Opus Day which the article quotes?

People just love a conspiracy theory, even when there isn’t a conspiracy and the theory has been proven wrong.

As far as the sainthood of Josemaria, it really doesn’t matter because most theologians agree that the cannonization of a Saint is infallible which means that Josemaria is a Saint regardless of if you think he should be or not (and this means that his writings and teachings are worth emulating to include Opus Dei).

Here is a link to the canonization process.

God Bless.

 

[Skeptic92]

Two questions :-

1 What are the pre-requisites for being made a “Saint” ?

2 How long does the process of Beatification take?

Protector.

1. two confirmed miracles attributed to their Intercession
2. A Cause for Canonization generally can only begin 5 years after the death of the person, it can be waivered by the Holy Father, but this didn’t happen in the case of St Escriva, it took 27 years for St Escriva to be canonized, however yes this is quick compared to some (it has taken Blessed Cardinal Newman around a 100 years or more to be beatified.

Opus Dei is a very good group, some of the best confessors I’ve been to have been Opus Dei, and their community work should be exactly how the Church as a whole does it, make sure they are extremely active.

 

[comrade1789]

news.yahoo.com/2-opus-dei-followers-trial-france-072624184.html

PARIS (AP) — Two Opus Dei followers and an association with close ties to the conservative Catholic group are going on trial in Paris on Thursday, accused of forcing a disciple to work for more than a decade with little or no pay.

Defense lawyers portray it as a case about labor law, and an Opus Dei spokeswoman says that the plaintiff chose of her own will to follow the group.

But the trial is expected to shine a spotlight on the secretive group’s practices. Dan Brown’s bestseller “The Da Vinci Code” painted Opus Dei as a murderous, power-hungry sect, a portrayal that the group vigorously protested. Opus Dei’s founder, Spanish priest Jose Maria Escriva de Balaguer, was made a saint by Pope John Paul II.

Shouldn’t France be more worried about the real Muhamodan threat in their back, front and courtyards than what some disgruntled Catholic is grumbling about, especially since I am sure he must have signed a Release And Indemnity Agreement, as all Religious orders, and I am sure Prelatures, have for their folks?

 

[Protector]

Skeptic92;8390330] (1) two confirmed miracles attributed to their Intercession
(2) A Cause for Canonization generally can only begin 5 years after the death of the person, it can be waivered by the Holy Father

As in the case of Pope John Paul II ?

This didn’t happen in the case of St Escriva, it took 27 years for St Escriva to be canonized, however yes this is quick compared to some (it has taken Blessed Cardinal Newman around a 100 years or more to be beatified.

And the following took 101 years :-

Mary Helen MacKillop (15 January 1842 – 8 August 1909), also known as Saint Mary of the Cross,[1] was an Australian Roman Catholic nun who, together with Father Julian Tenison Woods, founded the Sisters of St Joseph of the Sacred Heart and a number of schools and welfare institutions throughout Australasia with an emphasis on education for the poor, particularly in country areas. Since her death she has attracted much veneration in Australia and internationally.

On 17 July 2008, Pope Benedict XVI prayed at her tomb during his visit to Sydney for World Youth Day 2008. On 19 December 2009, Pope Benedict XVI approved the Roman Catholic Church’s recognition of a second miracle attributed to her intercession.[2] She was canonised on 17 October 2010 during a public ceremony in St Peter’s Square at the Vatican.[3][4][5][6] She is the only Australian to be recognised by the Roman Catholic Church as a saint.[7][8] Wikipedia

I apologize to my fellow posters for my source document above, (I have been accused of being a virtual “Wikipedia” Christian). Actually, it may be a complement as I know for a fact that many of the Wiki articles concerning Catholic subject matter are in fact submitted to Wiki by Catholics.

Opus Dei is a very good group, some of the best confessors I’ve been to have been Opus Dei, and their community work should be exactly how the Church as a whole does it, make sure they are extremely active.

I will defer to your “in-house” knowledge here in regards to Opus Dei. As far as Dan Brown is concerned, I tend not to waste time reading fiction.

Protector.

 

[Skeptic92]

As in the case of Pope John Paul II ?

And the following took 101 years :-

I apologize to my fellow posters for my source document above, (I have been accused of being a virtual “Wikipedia” Christian). Actually, it may be a complement as I know for a fact that many of the Wiki articles concerning Catholic subject matter are in fact submitted to Wiki by Catholics.

I will defer to your “in-house” knowledge here in regards to Opus Dei. As far as Dan Brown is concerned, I tend not to waste time reading fiction.

Protector.

Yeah the cause for Canonization of Bl John Paul II began before the 5 years was up, some people say that it probably was opened to soon, I for one submit to the Holy Father, he has the authority to waiver the normal waiting period and he did.

Yeah, St Mary MacKillop took over a century to be canonized, while some can take even longer (Bl John Henry Newman has only been beatified and not canonized, and will probably stay a Blessed for a while yet while other miracles are investigated), basically canonization can be a very long process, or it can be quite short (i guess you can say it’s how wide spread to devotion to that person is, the more prayers asking for their intercession, the more likely a prayer shall be answered according to the will of God)

 

[Te_Deum]

Saint Thomas Aquinas took fifty years to be canonised. It really does vary a lot.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

It is almost comical. Secretive practices? This is why there is a book written about the practices of Opus Day which the article quotes?

People just love a conspiracy theory, even when there isn’t a conspiracy and the theory has been proven wrong.

As far as the sainthood of Josemaria, it really doesn’t matter because most theologians agree that the cannonization of a Saint is infallible which means that Josemaria is a Saint regardless of if you think he should be or not (and this means that his writings and teachings are worth emulating to include Opus Dei).

Here is a link to the canonization process.

God Bless.

I don’t really care whether or not Opus Dei has secretive practices to foster group unity and a sense of self-importance (concerning group membership) like some sort of fraternity. The real story is the use of (what is essentially) slave labor.

That is what the story is about.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

1. two confirmed miracles attributed to their Intercession
2. A Cause for Canonization generally can only begin 5 years after the death of the person, it can be waivered by the Holy Father, but this didn’t happen in the case of St Escriva, it took 27 years for St Escriva to be canonized, however yes this is quick compared to some (it has taken Blessed Cardinal Newman around a 100 years or more to be beatified.

Opus Dei is a very good group, some of the best confessors I’ve been to have been Opus Dei, and their community work should be exactly how the Church as a whole does it, make sure they are extremely active.

So its irrelevant to you if they use what are more or less modern day indentured servants?

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Shouldn’t France be more worried about the real Muhamodan threat in their back, front and courtyards than what some disgruntled Catholic is grumbling about, especially since I am sure he must have signed a Release And Indemnity Agreement, as all Religious orders, and I am sure Prelatures, have for their folks?

Just because Muslims have appalling practices (Honor Killings, FGM, Jihad in general) doesn’t automatically make Opus Dei actions good.

 

[Teelynn]

I don’t really care whether or not Opus Dei has secretive practices to foster group unity and a sense of self-importance (concerning group membership) like some sort of fraternity. The real story is the use of (what is essentially) slave labor.

That is what the story is about.

“Slave Labor”? What, did they threaten her at knife point? She volunteered to follow them. If she didn’t like the requirements, she could’ve just “walked away.”

 

[Neil_Anthony]

Here’s a video account of a numerary assistant about her choice to do what she does:

opusdei.ca/art.php?p=17269

 

[Skeptic92]

So its irrelevant to you if they use what are more or less modern day indentured servants?

When I stay at my abbey, I work on the farms and do manual labour, for no pay, and I’ll do a full days work on the farms or elsewhere in the Abbey, does my Abbey therefore employ slave labour through the Oblates who knew what they signed up for?

The same is for Opus Dei, their members know what they sign up for, they believe they are called to that spirituality, it is not slave labor if the working party gives full consent, just because the Liberal media love to make a good, honest personal prelature of the Catholic Church look bad because it is the in thing to do in the west at the moment, yaknw stand up for Muslims in the face of ‘persecution’ and then persecute good honest orthodox Christians/Catholics

 

[Protector]

newlywed8;8389945]news.yahoo.com/2-opus-dei-followers-trial-france-072624184.html

PARIS (AP) — Two Opus Dei followers and an association with close ties to the conservative Catholic group are going on trial in Paris on Thursday, accused of forcing a disciple to work for more than a decade with little or no pay.

Defense lawyers portray it as a case about labor law, and an Opus Dei spokeswoman says that the plaintiff chose of her own will to follow the group.

I think that the operative phrase here is, “forcing a disciple to work…”. We are not told the nature of the “force”. Furthermore, who brought the charge against the Opus Dei. Was it the alleged victim? If so how was it that he/she did not simply leave when no agreement could be reached regarding remuneration?

It would seem that, as another poster has observed, it is a bit of hot air in order to bring Opus Dei into the spotlight again -(just when the Dan Brown controversy was starting to die down). It must have been, what they term in the newspaper industry, “a slow news day”.

Protector.

 

[Pirate_Talker]

It is almost comical. Secretive practices? This is why there is a book written about the practices of Opus Day which the article quotes?

People just love a conspiracy theory, even when there isn’t a conspiracy and the theory has been proven wrong.

As far as the sainthood of Josemaria, it really doesn’t matter because most theologians agree that the cannonization of a Saint is infallible which means that Josemaria is a Saint regardless of if you think he should be or not (and this means that his writings and teachings are worth emulating to include Opus Dei).

Here is a link to the canonization process.

God Bless.

If the sainthood process is infallible, what do you make of the "unsainting’ of St. Christopher? It’s unclear to me what happened. Can anyone add info?

 

[SpeakInSilence]

Secret practices? So by reading the book that is free to purchase anywhere letting me into the secret world?

 

[OchsFam]

If the sainthood process is infallible, what do you make of the "unsainting’ of St. Christopher? It’s unclear to me what happened. Can anyone add info?

St. Christopher was not “unsainted,” he was removed from the calendar. There is a big difference between the two.

Link to help you better understand.

God Bless.

 

[Protector]

If the sainthood process is infallible, what do you make of the "unsainting’ of St. Christopher? It’s unclear to me what happened. Can anyone add info?

What!!! St Christopher the patron saint of travelers?
Just one of those enigmas I suppose. I know that when I go out in the car I deem it a Blessed Miracle if I get back home without having a near-death experience. I think you should make up a placard, “Reinstate St Christopher”. And while you’re at it make another one, “Re-planetise Pluto!” (all right, so it’s not a real word, but I claim poetic license).

Protector.

 

[SamH]

I wonder if I can sue Habitat for Humanity for forcing me to work for free.