2012 Republican Presidential Nomination

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ETEXAS said:
A PERRY/PAUL TICKET…👍
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Isn’t there some sort of restriction on the President and VP being from the same State? Anyway, there’s virtually no chance that Paul will be on the ticket unless he decides to run as an independent. Perry, however, will be the nominee.

One other thing: I thought the “too old” thing went out when Reagan was elected.
 
Can someone pm me off this thread as to why Paul, Perry, and especially Romney are such popular Catholic choices? Sincerely. I’m a little baffled at the lack of response for Bachmann, Gingrich and Pawlenty over these as pro-life/defense of marriage canddates and did Santorum drop out? I have him tied with Bachmann as a targeted enemy of NARAL. The lower a rating that NARAL gives a candidate, I would guess, the better they’d be for our morality crisis.

Im not an economics freak. I know it’s important, and I have teetered on the high wire between scraping by and poverty most of my life, no matter who was president, so I’m willing to bet a dime that it just really doesn’t matter all that much with the administrations. That the economy is independent of the white house and more centered in Wall Street, Beijing, Tokyo, London and Zurich. Presidents luck out and preside over robust economies, or failed economies. The congresses that they get stuck with have some effect I suppose. Anyway, I leave that to people a lot smarter than I. Jesus Christ ensures me that I shall never go without food, clothing or shelter. That’s good enough for me.

I therefore look to a persons moral character. What they believe. Truly and deeply in their hearts about natural law values. Are they of God or Satan at the core. With that in mind, Bachmann and Santorum seem the best choices followed by Gingrich, then Paul and a couple others.

I know it’s early, and all this will change a million times, but I sure do get worried sometimes that the party is heading for somebody like Romney over someone like Bachmann. I’ll be doing a lot more study, of course over the next few months, as I hope everybody will.

I’m especially curious about “Perry”, who I’ve heard virtually nothing about, and seems very popular. What’s a good unbiased resource to read about him? Is he a candidate? Any help appreciated. PM’s please so this thread doesn’t go off the rails.

God’s love

Steven
 
I don’t know how and who worked out the details for the prayer breakfast hosted by Perry, but if an open invitation was extended it’s hard to keep such people as Hagee out. I certainly agree that Hagee is a very bad apple, a quite dynamic demagogue, though he claims he is not anti-Catholic. He’s a strong Protestant. But is a strong Catholic automatically anti-Protestant? Certainly not. Nor the reverse.

Hagee’s main theme, of course, is that Israel must be defended by America and Christians no matter what. I have to say that such Christian Zionist preachers have brainwashed millions, especially among evangelicals, and I consider them partly responsible for the mess in the Middle East. If the USA had been even-handed in dealing with the Palestinians years ago, Israel would be far better off, and so would we. That issue first gave rise to deep resentment in the Muslim world which, combined with other factors, led to the development of anti-US terrorism, including 9-11. We should have been both sincerely pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian from the outset. Instead, we have provided Israel with over $100 billion, our best armaments, scores of vetoes in the UN, etc. Our loud declarations of freedom and justice can sound pretty hollow when we seem totally unconcerned about Palestinians (Christians and Muslims) who were driven from their land with no compensation, then demonized as terrorists.
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 Of course, our Congress is afraid to challenge Israel, too. Was it Pat Buchanan who once referred to Congress as "Israeli-occupied territory"? It's encouraging that more and more Jews, here and in Israel, seem to be waking up to the fact that there will not be reconciliation in that part of the world until Israel stops building more and more settlements on the West Bank (helped by our tax dollars) and stops treating Palestinians like dirt. I have made four pilgrimages to the Holy Land and have witnessed the shabby treatment of Palestinians.

 The fact that Hagee will be at the prayer breakfast is disappointing, but you can't smear Perry with the anti-Catholic brush because of that. It's obviously intended as an ecumenical and interfaith event. 

 My impression, by the way, is that the large majority of indigenous Christians in the Middle East oppose the Israeli occupation. Didn't the bishops who met with Benedict XVI some months ago make that case? Sadly, as in Iraq, US policy has worked to the detriment of Christians who have been killed there in large numbers, with many tens of thousands fleeing to Syria, Lebanon and elsewhere. Israel, of course, won't accept refugees who are not Jewish. So much for Israeli democracy. How democratic would we be if we only accepted, say, Protestants from other countries? 

 God bless Christians, Jews and people of every creed, color, culture and country. Religion should serve as a bridge and not a barrier.
 
Big_Ro said:
Isn’t there some sort of restriction on the President and VP being from the same State? Anyway, there’s virtually no chance that Paul will be on the ticket unless he decides to run as an independent. Perry, however, will be the nominee.

One other thing: I thought the “too old” thing went out when Reagan was elected.
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Yes there is a restriction-they cannot be from the same State.
 
I wonder if Bachmann is going poorly on this poll because her name is misspelled as "Bachannan " and some people are mistaking it for Buchanan? :confused:
 
Speaking of anti-Catholicism, what about Bachmann? She apparently was active for years in the Lutheran Church, Wisconsin Synod, a small, ultra-conservative and independent wing of Lutheranism.
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That denomination has included this on its website: "We identify the Antichrist as the Papacy. This is the historical judgment based on scripture."

 Bachmann has denounced anti-Catholicism, but if it's okay to assail Obama for his former church affiliation, why not worry about Bachmann? I understand that she and her husband haven't attended that church in Stillwater, MN, for two years, but the pastor apparently has indicated that they have not asked for a transfer or to be dropped from the rolls. 

 What do you think?
 
Roy5 said:
Speaking of anti-Catholicism, what about Bachmann? She apparently was active for years in the Lutheran Church, Wisconsin Synod, a small, ultra-conservative and independent wing of Lutheranism.
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That denomination has included this on its website: "We identify the Antichrist as the Papacy. This is the historical judgment based on scripture."

 Bachmann has denounced anti-Catholicism, but if it's okay to assail Obama for his former church affiliation, why not worry about Bachmann? I understand that she and her husband haven't attended that church in Stillwater, MN, for two years, but the pastor apparently has indicated that they have not asked for a transfer or to be dropped from the rolls. 

 What do you think?
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Actually they are no longer members of that church as of June 21st:
The conservative church that Michele Bachmann officially left days before launching her presidential campaign said Friday that the Minnesota congresswoman’s decision came at their request.
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“The impetus came from the church,” said Joel Hochmuth, a spokesman for the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, the denominational organization that includes the church. “For the pastor’s sake, he wanted to know where he stood with the family.”
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Bachmann (R) had stopped attending Salem Evangelical Lutheran Church two years ago but did not formally end her membership until June 21, a date first reported by CNN. The timing raised questions because it came shortly before she formally kicked off her presidential campaign in Waterloo, Iowa, and because the church has taken controversial stands on Catholicism and homosexuality.
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source: washingtonpost.com/politics/bachmann-left-church-at-pastors-request-official-says/2011/07/15/gIQAfGGuGI_story.html
 
antonivs said:
I have absolutely no doubt that an irishpatrick/estesbob ticket would lead to a landslide victory in the November 2012 election. 😃
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Of course–cannot lose. 👍

The OP should add us to the poll. LOL 🙂
 
Young_Thinker said:
Good alliteration! But doesn’t anyone else beside me think that Dr. Paul is getting a little too old to **credibly **run for President (he’ll be 78 in 2013)?
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Hey…Perry is local…(to me)…he won’t go anywhere…STRONGER ticket with Perry to the fore…
 
antonivs said:
I have absolutely no doubt that an irishpatrick/estesbob ticket would lead to a landslide victory in the November 2012 election. 😃
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They are unelectable. They would turn off the independents. 😉
 
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