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Scott_Lafrance
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You mean Iām not?So, what you are saying is that you want to be a princess, Scott?
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rlg94086
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Wellā¦sure, but you do understand the basic math of elections, right? One less vote for Obamaās main opponent is in Obamaās favor. By not voting for his main opponent, you are, in fact, increasing the vote delta in his favor. This is true whether you vote third party or choose not to vote at all.
Now, Iām not saying that it is not a licit choice to vote third party or choose not to vote, but you should at least recognize that you are, indeed, helping Obama get elected by doing so.
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Scott_Lafrance
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By not voting I am neither helping nor hurting anyone, and donāt have to worry about violating my conscience to boot.
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rlg94086
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As I said, if it is a conscience issue, your choice is completely licit. However, your statement that you are neither helping nor hurting anyone is incorrect. Every vote or non-vote has an effect on the election.
Itās similar to the old saying āa penny saved is a penny earned.ā You are still spending money. Itās a question of how much you have spent and how much is left in your pocket.
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Scott_Lafrance
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Okay, tell me which of the candidates doesnāt clearly violate other fundamental aspects of Catholic teaching? Donāt give me the abortion canard, its old.
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mary_bobo
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Better a troll than Obama.
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Roy5
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Some thoughts
** Perry**? We need to learn more. He may be the best and most likely to win.
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**Romney and Huntsman** may be the most qualified to be president of the various candidates to date. Both would suffer from deep-rooted antipathy among evangelicals and others because of their Mormonism.
I personally admire **Ron Paul's** attitude on foreign policy, but does he live in the real world when it comes to other issues? He strikes me as a devoted quasi-anarchist.
**Palin** is a vigorous cheerleader, but I don't have the confidence in her to support her candidacy. Ditto for **Bachmann**.
**Guiliani and Gingrich** lose my vote in large part because their personal lives have been such a mess. Three marriages in each case, plus Gingrich was fined for something illegal - I forget the details. True, people can change and deserve a new chance, but not when it comes to electing them president. I would vote for Obama before either of them. Character, integrity, loyalty and compassion make a difference to me. I hear that **Bolton** may throw his hat into the ring. He is an irresponsible neo-con, always eager to go to war against somebody. I can't believe that Americans would elect someone who would be such a disaster in the White House.
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rlg94086
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I donāt know what ācanardā you are referring to. There is no candidate, Ron Paul included, that is perfect from a Catholic perspective. We are not required to vote for perfect. Which āfundamental aspects of Catholic teachingā are the other candidates violating that are preventing you from voting from them?
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estesbob
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I think that Ronās opposition to laws forbidding racial discrimination and forced segregation could be problematic from a Catholic standpoint.
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Scott_Lafrance
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They shouldnāt be. Catholics are called to love everyone regardless of their skin color. WE shouldnāt need laws to force us to do it. If we do, its a spiritual problem, not a legal one. Legislating spiritual health is problematic to say the least.
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gilliam
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Our history shows that we do need such laws.
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estesbob
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Are you contending the Church opposed the Civil Rights act?
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Beau_Ouiville
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The most prominent US Catholic cardinal during the civil rights period was strongly opposed to MLK. He went to the extreme of trying to prevent the pope from meeting with him, an attempt which failed. Thatās a fact.
Letās move on.
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Scott_Lafrance
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If Jesus called on us to be in the world, but not of the world, why do Catholics spend so much time working about worldly concerns like legislating morality, rather than leading by example. Wasnāt it St. Francis of Assisi that said āPreach constantly. When necessary, use words.ā
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Wolseley
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Ah, sure lad, 'tis the āSpirit of Vatican IIā.
And if you ever, by chance, happen to personally meet up with the āSpirit of Vatican IIā, would you do me a big personal favor? Thanks.
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Scott_Lafrance
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How involved was Jesus is politics? I seem to think the message comes straight from Him.Ah, sure lad, 'tis the āSpirit of Vatican IIā.
And if you ever, by chance, happen to personally meet up with the āSpirit of Vatican IIā, would you do me a big personal favor? Thanks.
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estesbob
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Your opinion of the Cardinal not Withstanding the Church supported the Civil Rights Act. Ron Pauls casual dismissal of the importance of this legislation should give pause to anyone who cares about the legacy of racism in this country.
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Beau_Ouiville
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Like whom? Father Groppi, the Berrigans, some nuns on the picket lines and whom? The clergyman who was backed over by a bulldozer in Cleveland was Protestant, not Catholic. Nor was Viola Liuzzo, a protester murdered by the Klan in MS. Did you know that one religious order did not even allow black applicants until the mid-sixties? Fact.
Letās not revise history. Time to move one.
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