2020 Election Fraud Watch Comprehensive Thread

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A Stunning Passage from the Latest Court Rejection of Team Trump

The most telling aspect of the Wisconsin federal district court’s rejection of another Trump campaign lawsuit on Saturday is so obvious it is easy to miss. And no, it is not that the rejecting was done by a Trump-appointed judge, Brett H. Ludwig, or that it was done on the merits.

After all that’s been said over the last six weeks, this fleeting passage near the start of the court’s workmanlike, 23-page decision and order should take our breath away:

With the Electoral College meeting just days away, the Court declined to address the issues in piecemeal fashion and instead provided plaintiff with an expedited hearing on the merits of his claims. On the morning of the hearing, the parties reached agreement on a stipulated set of facts and then presented arguments to the Court.

A “stipulated set of facts,” in this context, is an agreement between the lawyers for the adversary parties about what testimony witnesses would give, and/or what facts would be established, if the parties went through the process of calling witnesses and offering tangible evidence at a hearing or trial.

In a real controversy, in which one or both of the parties are making hotly disputed factual claims, there are few if any stipulations. For example, a defendant who vehemently denies that he committed stock fraud may be willing to stipulate that 20,000 shares of XYZ Corp’s common stock were sold on December 14; but other than that, the defendant will demand that the adversary call the fact witnesses who claim he defrauded them so he can cross-examine. He will call his own witnesses to show what really happened, and they will be aggressively questioned, too.

Publicly, the Trump campaign has been claiming there was extensive vote fraud and law-breaking. Specifically with respect to Wisconsin, President Trump tweeted on November 28: “The Wisconsin recount is not about finding mistakes in the count, it is about finding people who have voted illegally . . . We have found many illegal votes. Stay tuned!”

This is in addition to the innumerable times the president and his surrogates have asserted that they were being systematically prevented from proving massive fraud and illegality. The courts and state officials, we’ve been told, have invoked legal technicalities, such as the supposed lack of standing to sue, in order to stop the campaign from calling witnesses and introducing voluminous documentary evidence.

So what happened in Wisconsin?

Judge Ludwig denied the state’s claims that the campaign lacked standing. Instead, he gave the campaign the hearing they asked for — the opportunity to call witnesses and submit damning exhibits. Yet, when it got down to brass tacks, the morning of the hearing, it turned out there was no actual disagreement between the Trump team and Wisconsin officials about the pertinent facts of the case. The president’s counsel basically said: Never mind, we don’t need to present all our proof . . .

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So, Dominion has been subpoenaed in AZ.
Your article says that a senator says that he will subpoena, not that he has done so. It is a bit early to present this as something that has been done. Sometimes senators say they will do something and then they don’t. If this one does, then that is the time to report it as somethign that has been done.
 
I simply don’t have the technical knowledge to assess the worth of this audit report.

Have there been responses from Dominion?
 
Again All piling on here. It would not matter who they got to check these machines. There would be controversy - a divided nation.

This idea that Joe Biden got all these votes when he spent 6 months in his basement, did rare interviews and somehow became the most popular president even pass Barach Obama helps fuel this.

When Biden held a townhall no one showed up. Even during his acceptance speech on C-Span only reported 4000 people watched.

Yet we are to believe Biden draws a crowd. No, he does not. I understand that many people did not like Trump but there was no love for Joe Biden(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

80 million voters highest in history - and no one shows up at Biden rallies.
 
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That was views on the recording. The actual speech was a preemptive event on all networks.
 
80 million voters highest in history - and no one shows up at Biden rallies.
More people voted than ever before. That’s good, isn’t it.

Apparently, Biden voters were just as enthusiastic, but believed the science and didn’t see the need to participate in super spreader events.

Oh, and Biden doesn’t need constant adulation that comes from hosting large rallies for a hard core minority of voters.
 
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Do you sincerely believe that 68% of votes had errors?
If I understand the report (and I probably don’t) it is alleging that the software caused the reporting of a high number of errors (that, I suppose is the 68%) which then had to go for adjudication, providing an opportunity for fraud to take place. It does not, as far as I can see (and I dropped off to sleep a quarter way through) say such fraud actually happened.

I would like to see Dominion’s response to all this.
 
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80 million voters highest in history - and no one shows up at Biden rallies.
More people voted than ever before. That’s good, isn’t it.

Apparently, Biden voters were just as enthusiastic, but believed the science and didn’t see the need to participate in super spreader events.

Oh, and Biden doesn’t need constant adulation that comes from hosting large rallies for a hard core minority of voters.
Before everyone piles on the conversation stops. Constant adulation. He was in his basement for 6 months. Four Thousand on C-Span watching him. And yet votes say he is popular.

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I am just saying this is adding to the idea that something is wrong this election cycle. Seventy seven percent of 74 million and 10 percent of democrats do not believe this was a fair election. It is not just a few .
 
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Before everyone piles on the conversation stops. Constant adulation. He was in his basement for 6 months. Four Thousand on C-Span watching him. And yet votes say he is popular.
Hard to wrap your head around, huh?

Trump needs constant adulation. That’s why he holds all the events. Biden doesn’t. That’s why he didn’t. Oh, and also because we’re in the middle of a pandemic.

Every recount shows that the reported counts were true. Biden won. Without holding huge rallies. Go figure.
 
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Hard to wrap your head around, huh?

Trump needs constant adulation. That’s why he holds all the events. Biden doesn’t. That’s why he didn’t. Oh, and also because we’re in the middle of a pandemic.

Every recount shows that the reported counts were true. Biden won. Without holding huge rallies. Go figure.
No Trump is fighting an oligarchy system that he understand very well being a businessman.

Huge rallies, Biden had few rallies and was in his basement for the last 7 months .
 
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Me too for someone who was told for years on these forums that I was not to comment on UK history or Irish history as I was not part of that history.

I have actually come to agree on that in many ways,.
 
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This idea that Joe Biden got all these votes when he spent 6 months in his basement,
I doubt he was in his basement all six months. But the fact that he didn’t hold super-spreader rallies to risk peoples’ lives is something that many respect.
did rare interviews
Which were intelligible, dealt with actual issues, and weren’t spent in name-calling and whining about how badly he’s treated.
 
No Biden was in his basement. Even when he was out no one was there.

4000 viewers on C spam -no spreading there
 
4000 viewers on C spam -no spreading there
Of course not. Unlike Trump and his massive no-distancing, mask-optional rallies. Nice to know how little he cares whether his followers live.
 
4000 viewers on C spam -no spreading there
Do people still watch cspan?

I think that what you need to take into consideration is that people nowadays have cut the cable cord.

Viewership of cspan is something that I attribute to an older age group.

Many people, nowadays, have the freedom to view the news using other means than cable tv.

I watched Biden’s acceptance speech, several hours after he made it on YouTube.
 
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Barack Obama had high C span ratings

Not Joe and this has been for seven months – few at his rallies
 
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Barack Obama had high C span ratings
Yes. I believe you.

Barack Obama entered the presidency in 2008 (12 years ago) and left the presidency in 2016 (4 years ago)

That does not address the point that today in 2020. Cable tv is losing millions of subscriptions, and people are finding different, more cost effective ways to view the news.
 
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My family and I cut the cable cord around 5 years ago.

Don’t know why we didn’t do it sooner.
It makes no sense to be paying 80/month for that service. Now I view cable tv as being an antiquated medium. Especially since there is so many other (free) ways to watch the news
 
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