26 year old Millennial Catholic who lives with parents in spite of having a degree. Should I even try to date someone?

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^^^ those videos are great.

But is this really the point?
Add to that i’m 26 and living in a super conservative part of the country where a lot of people are already married or get married by now.
Is this the main reason you’re depressed? Your friends are all getting married and you feel like you’re missing some boat?

I say this in all Christian charity:

Get that right out of your head right now.
Get a job, any job, get working on those student loans, move out of your folks home, get your own place, work on yourself. All of the above will boost your attractiveness factor by a zillion. Don’t worry about birth defects. Don’t worry about what others are doing or not doing. All of those things are excuses.

You think everyone else has it made? They don’t. What they DO have is the determination to work what they do have. Everyone has their various strengths. You have listed yours.
Get busy.
Pray more.
Worry less.

Peace.
 
Did you go away to college or did you stay at home and live with your parents and attend as a commuter student? If I were you I would find a roommate and start living as an adult where you cook your own food, do your own laundry and pay your bills. The likelihood of finding a romantic partner while your self esteem is so low is not very high. Finding good friends who are your own age is the best place to start. If you are sitting in your room every night or watching tv with your parents, you are not going to meet other young educated adults. I’ll pray for you!😉
I actually lived at college 4 and a half years came back home for 2 years and until a month ago i was on my own until I was laid off so it wasn’t like I don’t know how to take care of myself. My problem is that when I’m home my mom just does that stuff for me and when I try she says “Oh its okay” or when she’s mad that I do it wrong. Yeah she’s a helicopter in that sense. Sadly in a way since my dad died she’s kind of just taken care of everything for us. We were all kind of mopey and sad and wallowed in it. College helped a lot but she still treats us like were her little kids. In a way I think its because her parents made her get a job at 18 instead of going to school because they thought she was too stupid. She probably thinks she’s being mean if she would do this. Granted I have a job right now that is part time and related to my field so its okay She also just has some bonkers ideas (“oh everyone has debt, don’t worry about it” is something she says) and sadly I think she just doesn’t know what to do.

And how am i supposed to meet other young people when I live an hour from a major city and Gas isn’t exactly cheap. Also like I said most young people around here in are married.
 
^^^ those videos are great.

But is this really the point?

Is this the main reason you’re depressed? Your friends are all getting married and you feel like you’re missing some boat?

I say this in all Christian charity:

Get that right out of your head right now.
Get a job, any job, get working on those student loans, move out of your folks home, get your own place, work on yourself. All of the above will boost your attractiveness factor by a zillion. Don’t worry about birth defects. Don’t worry about what others are doing or not doing. All of those things are excuses.

You think everyone else has it made? They don’t. What they DO have is the determination to work what they do have. Everyone has their various strengths. You have listed yours.
Get busy.
Pray more.
Worry less.

Peace.
You hit the nail on the head. But its not just the marriage thing its the having a job that actually can pay the bills. Right now my job is only $10 per hour. I want to finish my masters but at the same time I just feel like I should just bail on that dream and leave but I don’t know what i’m qualified for. The longest i’ve worked at one place is a year and a half. And no it wasn’t because i’m some flighty conceited entitled guy. I got a teaching job and left my grocery store job and I was hopeful that it would last a while which unfortunately it didn’t. So half my issue is i don’t know if i’m qualified for anything. Yes i’m smart and I can work hard and handle all sorts of **** (as of right now I work at an alternative school where I work with kids with emotional disorders and have to do things like literally drag kids to class and restrain folks from fighting with each other. And the thing is I like it because somehow I remain calm enough that I just protect those kids and make sure they do what they are supposed to) but so can plenty of other people. If anything I worry I don’t stand out.

Also and I mean this in all sincerity, but whats the big deal with self esteem. Whats wrong with being just a nice man who treats everyone well? Isn’t that enough. Its like i have to be freaking Catholic superman to get anywhere when all I am is just an average guy. No more no less.
 
Its like i have to be freaking Catholic superman to get anywhere when all I am is just an average guy. No more no less.
An average person does not have the kinds of obsessive thoughts that you’ve been posting, to the degree that you’re having them.

This is not normal. Suffering like this is not necessary.

Dealing with the obsessive thought patterns will probably fix all sorts of other issues in your life (including the dating thing!). Professional assistance would be a big help in this area.
 
Also and I mean this in all sincerity, but whats the big deal with self esteem. Whats wrong with being just a nice man who treats everyone well? Isn’t that enough. Its like i have to be freaking Catholic superman to get anywhere when all I am is just an average guy. No more no less.
Well, here’s the thing.

I don’t know about self-esteem in general, but in your particular case, low self-esteem does go hand in hand with running down and devaluing large categories of people:

–manual workers
–single women your age or older
–children born to older parents
–autistic people
–etc.

That’s bad, and also not very attractive to prospective spouses.

As a long-term goal, I think you should try to value everybody (yourself and others) more. It will be good for you, it will be good for your career, it will help you do better with women, and it’s the right thing to do.
 
An average person does not have the kinds of obsessive thoughts that you’ve been posting, to the degree that you’re having them.

This is not normal. Suffering like this is not necessary.

Dealing with the obsessive thought patterns will probably fix all sorts of other issues in your life (including the dating thing!). Professional assistance would be a big help in this area.
Right.

Depression LIES.
 
Don’t confuse self-esteem with vanity.
Self-esteem helps one to be an upright person to a degree. If you feel good about yourself then you can help others effectively.

No one has to be a Catholic superman or superwoman. We just have to be faithful, not fanatical, humble not vain, giving yet not a doormat, prudent yet not miserly, willing to constantly be open to learning new thing, not give up on all self-improvements, and tolerant, yet not patronizing.

If you don’t want to go to grad school and rack up a ton of student debt…then don’t. Time for that when you’re more financially stable, I say. Sounds like you hate your job. Find something else. And if it’s a blue collar job, that’s ok. Honest.

Honestly, I don’t know why you think you have to live up to the expectation of some ideal that who knows who put forward.

Make a list of your own goals. Maybe talk to a terribly successful friend or relative and ask them candidly…“Are these doable? What’s your best advice?” Maybe even talk to a career counselor at one of those temp places.

Explore your options before you throw in the towel, And yes, see a health professional to make your you don’t suffer with chronic depression. It can’t hurt, right?
 
I know that i’m a smart and talented individual but it just feels like I have no specific purpose or skills. Like i’m just a drifter. I don’t have a specific thing that i’m just super good at. Its almost like i’m more bland or milquetoast than a true deadbeat loser. Like i’m the nice guy who isn’t ugly but is ignored by women because i’m not that interesting.
Guess what? Most people are just “average”. I would certainly say that my husband and I are some of the least “exciting” people you will ever meet. I think we’re nice people, but we are not the life of the party by any means. And we found each other. I think you have this ideal in your head of how you’re “supposed” to be- who God made you is just fine, and there are women out there who would think that too. But I agree with some of the other posters who don’t think you’re really in a position to date right now anyway. Not because of living with your mom, but because you have some ideas about yourself, other groups of people, and the world in general that aren’t really conducive to developing a good relationship. Find a counselor and work on that so that you can become the kind of man who would make a good husband and can treat himself and others with the dignity they deserve.

Also- I mentioned this before, but if you were recently laid off you should be receiving some type of unemployment compensation, unless you were actually fired. This should be some extra income you can put toward debt, and along with that usually there are a whole bunch of resources to help you figure out what you want to do, if you really feel like you are “drifting”. Even online, there are many personal inventory resources that can help you discern what your skills and interests are, and what kinds of jobs match up well.
 
Also and I mean this in all sincerity, but whats the big deal with self esteem. Whats wrong with being just a nice man who treats everyone well? Isn’t that enough. Its like i have to be freaking Catholic superman to get anywhere when all I am is just an average guy. No more no less.
When you settle back into being just a nice fellow–which is undoubtedly what you have been at your happiest–you’ll have an appropriate amount of self-esteem. C.S. Lewis explains appropriate self-esteem very well in his Screwtape Letters, in which a senior tempter explains the situation to a junior tempter:

*…You must therefore conceal from the patient the true end of Humility. Let him think of it not as self-forgetfulness but as a certain kind of opinion (namely, a low opinion) of his own talents and character. Some talents, I gather, he really has. Fix in his mind the idea that humility consists in trying to believe those talents to be less valuable than he believes them to be. No doubt they are in fact less valuable than he believes, but that is not the point. The great thing is to make him value an opinion for some quality other than truth, thus introducing an element of dishonesty and make-believe into the heart of what otherwise threatens to become a virtue. By this method thousands of humans have been brought to think that humility means pretty women trying to believe they are ugly and clever men trying to believe they are fools. And since what they are trying to believe may, in some cases, be manifest nonsense, they cannot succeed in believing it and we have the chance of keeping their minds endlessly revolving on themselves in an effort to achieve the impossible.

To anticipate the Enemy’s strategy, we must consider His aims. The Enemy wants to bring the man to a state of mind in which he could design the best cathedral in the world, and know it to be the best, and rejoice in the, fact, without being any more (or less) or otherwise glad at having done it than he would be if it had been done by another. The Enemy wants him, in the end, to be so free from any bias in his own favour that he can rejoice in his own talents as frankly and gratefully as in his neighbour’s talents - or in a sunrise, an elephant, or a waterfall. He wants each man, in the long run, to be able to recognise all creatures (even himself) as glorious and excellent things. He wants to kill their animal self-love as soon as possible; but it is His long-term policy, I fear, to restore to them a new kind of self-love - a charity and gratitude for all selves, including their own; when they have really learned to love their neighbours as themselves, they will be allowed to love themselves as their neighbours. For we must never forget what is the most repellent and inexplicable trait in our Enemy; He really loves the hairless bipeds He has created and always gives back to them with His right hand what He has taken away with His left.

His whole effort, therefore, will be to get the man’s mind off the subject of his own value altogether. He would rather the man thought himself a great architect or a great poet and then forgot about it, than that he should spend much time and pains trying to think himself a bad one. **Your efforts to instill either vainglory or false modesty into the patient will therefore be met from the Enemy’s side with the obvious reminder that a man is not usually called upon to have an opinion of his own talents at all, since he can very well go on improving them to the best of his ability without deciding on his own precise niche in the temple of Fame. **You must try to exclude this reminder from the patient’s consciousness at all costs. The Enemy will also try to render real in the patient’s mind a doctrine which they all profess but find it difficult to bring home to their feelings - the doctrine that they did not create themselves, that their talents were given them, and that they might as well be proud of the colour of their hair. But always and by all methods the Enemy’s aim will be to get the patient’s mind off such questions, and yours will be to fix it on them. Even of his sins the Enemy does not want him to think too much: once they are repented, the sooner the man turns his attention outward, the better the Enemy is pleased,

Your affectionate uncle

SCREWTAPE*
You hit the nail on the head. But its not just the marriage thing its the having a job that actually can pay the bills…half my issue is i don’t know if i’m qualified for anything…the thing is I like it because somehow I remain calm enough that I just protect those kids and make sure they do what they are supposed to) but so can plenty of other people. If anything I worry I don’t stand out.
The thing that will give you long-term satisfaction is how you stand out with the kids. You may find you have the endurance to work with special needs students, or you may not. Each one has his or her own gifts.

Don’t give up on being a teacher just yet. Find yourself someone in the education field to be your mentor. It could be an old professor or it could be an older colleague you worked with. You need help in assessing a) what you want and b) what you can do. It will help you make your decisions with far more confidence.

And again: You’re into some wrong-headed thinking, but the sort of discouragement you’re going through is very common. You should by no means beat yourself up for staggering back with some sense of shock at how hard your profession can be! I know very few teachers who haven’t gone through what you are going through to some extent in their first years of teaching. You need to change your thinking, yes, but by no means should you feel like some sort of failure because you are daunted by what you’re contemplating.
 
I am 28, and I am thinking about this thread and wondering if some of this is wrapped up in how much we measure a person by their job.

Since middle school, I remember being pushed to think about a career path and what I was going to do. I settled on teaching, and I did really enjoy it (I think for a lot of the same reasons I really enjoy being a mother), but I do doubt now that it was my calling. And there’s not a few people who have insinuated to me that I must lack some drive or purpose in my life if I don’t have paid employment. As if raising children was the “side gig.”

I think society at large puts too much emphasis on what one does for a job, rather than recognizing that making a living is what we do so that we can have a life. I wonder if that could play a role in what the OP is running up against in his thinking. My husband does have a job and it is something he is good at and plays to his strengths, but I don’t think he wraps up his whole identity in his work. There is value in work, to be sure, but more in the doing of it than the specifics of what it is. For the OP, the important thing would seem to me to get on secure financial footing, and maybe not trying to find or see work as what’s supposed to provide this huge sense of personal fulfillment. Volunteer work and prayer are arguably infinitely more important, and being single the OP has flexibility in his life that simply does not exist when you add on the responsibilities of a family to provide for.
 
I am 28, and I am thinking about this thread and wondering if some of this is wrapped up in how much we measure a person by their job.

Since middle school, I remember being pushed to think about a career path and what I was going to do. I settled on teaching, and I did really enjoy it (I think for a lot of the same reasons I really enjoy being a mother), but I do doubt now that it was my calling. And there’s not a few people who have insinuated to me that I must lack some drive or purpose in my life if I don’t have paid employment. As if raising children was the “side gig.”

I think society at large puts too much emphasis on what one does for a job, rather than recognizing that making a living is what we do so that we can have a life. I wonder if that could play a role in what the OP is running up against in his thinking. My husband does have a job and it is something he is good at and plays to his strengths, but I don’t think he wraps up his whole identity in his work. There is value in work, to be sure, but more in the doing of it than the specifics of what it is. For the OP, the important thing would seem to me to get on secure financial footing, and maybe not trying to find or see work as what’s supposed to provide this huge sense of personal fulfillment. Volunteer work and prayer are arguably infinitely more important, and being single the OP has flexibility in his life that simply does not exist when you add on the responsibilities of a family to provide for.
Exactly.
Some people are fortunate that their job is really who they are.
Others of us work, do a great job, and pay the bills. But the field we’d LOVE to be in doesn’t really pay enough to live on.
It happens. 🤷
 
You need to be able to support your family, but that doesn’t necessarily mean being capable of supporting it — including rent and other bills — solely from one income.

Thus, if marrying a woman with a similar income — or some other kind of income you’re taking into consideration — would enable the two of you to take good care of the household, then I don’t see a problem there.

I would see a problem if you didn’t have a place to live in as a husband and wife and yet you wanted to bring children into it.

Now as to what women like in general — that’s simply a matter of what they like in a man, not what a man has a (categorical) obligation to be or try to be.

This is to say it’s reasonable to try and be what they like us to be, but at the end of the day their purely subjective preference isn’t a valid source of ‘law’ for men to live by.

Next, what women like is not always what’s best for them. For example they may prefer a rebel, an independent spirit that’s rough around the edges etc. but later complain about the attendant whatever, such as aggression or lack of ability to compromise or be accountable etc. On the other hand, they may reject a man characterized by a mellow, prudent, down-to-earth sensibility in economic matters and yet later (e.g. 5, 10, 15 years later) long for that sort of thing when they don’t get it.

In short, find a woman who accepts what you are, and I’m pretty sure that some such women exist.

Women are not incapable of logical reasoning (not any more than men) and some of them can easily see the economic reasons for and economic sense in living with your parents (when space is available and conflicts are avoided) rather than asserting your outward indepence at the cost of gimping yourself economically.

I’m pretty sure that some women would also appreciate a man’s preference to live among family rather than living alone just to run an independent household.

For the record, if you pay rent or contribute financially to the maintenance of your parents’ household, then you’re pulling your weight just as much as any tenant is, so it’d be hard to criticize you on that account.

Finally, I’m not sure you’d be happy with a woman who had some very strong but not really reasonable, a bit knee-jerk kind of opinions, even if you managed to convince her to make an exception for you. You don’t want to be married to someone whom you can’t make happy (not that it’s ever in your power to make another human fully happy; I’m just talking about humanly happy marriage).
 
OP,

There was someone who used to post about a lot of the same issues as you - looking for a teaching job, father was older when he was born, etc. I believe his name was “benjammin” and I think he lived in Nebraska. If that is close to you maybe you two could act as “wingmen” to each other if you travel to a place where there may be some Catholic singles events??
 
OP,

There was someone who used to post about a lot of the same issues as you - looking for a teaching job, father was older when he was born, etc. I believe his name was “benjammin” and I think he lived in Nebraska. If that is close to you maybe you two could act as “wingmen” to each other if you travel to a place where there may be some Catholic singles events??
That might have been the OP under a different handle…
 
Sounds like you’re looking at dating like a ‘task’ rather than something you want to do. If you want to have sex, to share your entire life with someone, to raise children, then start dating. If you don’t want all those things, then don’t.

I said ‘start dating’, but what I mean is, developing relationships (friendships) with women, as well as asking them out on dates to discern whether marrying them is what you want to do.
 
Sounds like you’re looking at dating like a ‘task’ rather than something you want to do. If you want to have sex, to share your entire life with someone, to raise children, then start dating. If you don’t want all those things, then don’t.

I said ‘start dating’, but what I mean is, developing relationships (friendships) with women, as well as asking them out on dates to discern whether marrying them is what you want to do.
Its not that I don’t want to or that I feel like I have to but more like its impossible for me to do. Like I want to but it feels like too many obstacles. I mean look at my posts. Its obvious to see that i’m easily depressed. Who wants that? Add to that i’m a tad socially awkward, not universally atractive. Don’t have a good job (I do work though, not to get mean but I do have a job, its just only 30 hours and pays right as $10 per hour.) It feels like the deck is stacked against me. It also doesn’t help that I just had a relationship with someone for 5 months where it was pretty good in spite of being long distance (I lived 3 hours away from her) but I couldn’t keep her. Granted she said she just thought of me as a friend.

In all honesty my big worry is that I don’t know what I want. I really don’t know. So many times i’ve prayed for God to make it clear for me but he’s just ambiguous. I mean if he exists wouldn’t he find a way to say "Well Nocoast you aren’t meant for a relationship or religious life or whatever. I know God “speaks in silence” but I feel like this is a copout. I mean how many people have actually on here heard God speak. And I don’t mean this to be bitter or mean, i’m just saying I don’t think God really talks with us like that.

To me scripture is okay but I live the commandments. I don’t really break any rules other than an occasional swear word or anything like that. I guess on the surface I follow what God tells me. I’m looking for a deeper relationship. About the only thing about God I know for sure is he exists because the world is too complex to just be random happenstance. My problem is he doesn’t communicate. I feel like i’m just drifting out to see in a boat with no oars while God isn’t giving me much. No map, no guides other than the basics.

I guess when it comes down to it I want a plan from God. If he tells me jump all i’ll ask is “How high lord?”
 
What makes you think He’s not challenging you right now?

Think about it.
 
Its not that I don’t want to or that I feel like I have to but more like its impossible for me to do. Like I want to but it feels like too many obstacles. I mean look at my posts. Its obvious to see that i’m easily depressed. Who wants that? …] I guess when it comes down to it I want a plan from God. If he tells me jump all i’ll ask is “How high lord?”
If you’re depressed, get therapy. I think God wants you to decide your own life, rather than tell you what to do.

You might have low testosterone: It may help you to begin exercising, to naturally boost your testosterone and take charge of your life. (Of course, also eat healthy! No soda, trim out fatty foods.)
 
Its not that I don’t want to or that I feel like I have to but more like its impossible for me to do. Like I want to but it feels like too many obstacles. I mean look at my posts. Its obvious to see that i’m easily depressed. Who wants that? Add to that i’m a tad socially awkward, not universally atractive. Don’t have a good job (I do work though, not to get mean but I do have a job, its just only 30 hours and pays right as $10 per hour.) It feels like the deck is stacked against me. It also doesn’t help that I just had a relationship with someone for 5 months where it was pretty good in spite of being long distance (I lived 3 hours away from her) but I couldn’t keep her. Granted she said she just thought of me as a friend.

In all honesty my big worry is that I don’t know what I want. I really don’t know. So many times i’ve prayed for God to make it clear for me but he’s just ambiguous. I mean if he exists wouldn’t he find a way to say "Well Nocoast you aren’t meant for a relationship or religious life or whatever. I know God “speaks in silence” but I feel like this is a copout. I mean how many people have actually on here heard God speak. And I don’t mean this to be bitter or mean, i’m just saying I don’t think God really talks with us like that.

To me scripture is okay but I live the commandments. I don’t really break any rules other than an occasional swear word or anything like that. I guess on the surface I follow what God tells me. I’m looking for a deeper relationship. About the only thing about God I know for sure is he exists because the world is too complex to just be random happenstance. My problem is he doesn’t communicate. I feel like i’m just drifting out to see in a boat with no oars while God isn’t giving me much. No map, no guides other than the basics.

I guess when it comes down to it I want a plan from God. If he tells me jump all i’ll ask is “How high lord?”
If God simply gave us the answers, we would never have to seek them–and that is the process by which we learn and grow.
 
If you’re depressed, get therapy. I think God wants you to decide your own life, rather than tell you what to do.

You might have low testosterone: It may help you to begin exercising, to naturally boost your testosterone and take charge of your life. (Of course, also eat healthy! No soda, trim out fatty foods.)
Thanks for telling me this. Lately i’ve heard a lot of people mentioning the Saint Augustine quote “Love God and do what you will” which definitely fits with this. I guess my problem is that this scares me somewhat. I guess at times when I don’t know what to do i hear people say how God has a plan for them and i’ve always wanted to know God’s plan but felt like i haven’t got an answer or that the answer is just that i’m not meant for success in this world. Like most people I hate not knowing but I see where people are coming from. Its a tough dilemma for me
 
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