3 Friars in Pennsylvania Abuse Case Removed From Duties

[CompSciGuy]

It is refreshing to see something like this. When I see a person within the Church who loves the Church and goes out of his way to protect children, that tells me this person really cares about the kids. So many times I will see people from outside the Church using the clerical abuse scandals as a club to beat the Church with. I don’t believe those people care about the kids at all. In fact I think they revel in the clergy sex abuse because it fuels their prejudice and hatred. Those who really care about the kids will want to work to make the Church a place where children can be safe.

 

[on_the_hill]

It is refreshing to see something like this. When I see a person within the Church who loves the Church and goes out of his way to protect children, that tells me this person really cares about the kids. So many times I will see people from outside the Church using the clerical abuse scandals as a club to beat the Church with. I don’t believe those people care about the kids at all. In fact I think they revel in the clergy sex abuse because it fuels their prejudice and hatred. Those who really care about the kids will want to work to make the Church a place where children can be safe.

 

[johnnykins]

It is refreshing to see something like this. When I see a person within the Church who loves the Church and goes out of his way to protect children, that tells me this person really cares about the kids. So many times I will see people from outside the Church using the clerical abuse scandals as a club to beat the Church with. I don’t believe those people care about the kids at all. In fact I think they revel in the clergy sex abuse because it fuels their prejudice and hatred. Those who really care about the kids will want to work to make the Church a place where children can be safe.

It is refreshing to see something like this - as it appears to have been so rare. I say Thank God for those people “outside the Church” who forced this into the open…because too many Bishops, priests, sisters, brothers and lay Catholics knew about all this and were negligent, misfeasant…or MALFEASANT at the expense of children.

It makes me furious to see people AGAIN try to blame this mess…these crimes…on people other than abusive, incompetent, abetting and evil Bishops, priests, etc.

If this has been used by outsiders to support their own bigotry…it’s because the Bishops and priests proved every bad thing believed about HMC…and handed them the cudgel of truth about this garbage with which to beat the Church.

We need to stop claiming others are at fault. The fault is not in the stars, Horatio (or in anti-Catholics for that matter).

 

[Gorgias]

It makes me furious to see people AGAIN try to blame this mess…these crimes…on people other than abusive, incompetent, abetting and evil Bishops, priests, etc.

Here’s my question, though: you’re right that these crimes are the fault of those who committed them. But the ‘mess’ … isn’t that due to a lack of prosecution? Isn’t this really an indictment of the law enforcement and legal communities involved? If they knew – and yet did nothing – toward whom should our ire be turned?

I almost hesitate to mention this, since I know it’ll make you see red: how should we characterize a sensationalistic AG report – led by an embattled AG who has already had her license to practice law suspended and who will not seek re-election and who is vigorously attempting to have the lawsuits against her dropped – that, in essence, reports “despite PA’s liberal statutes of limitations, there are no charges that will be filed as a result of this investigation”?

 

[esieffe]

Hard to believe he was taking that much flack, and that he was considered an agitator by so many.

I think we become “collectively” embarrassed when scandals break out. Understandable, but certainly not at the expense of victims, removing the offenders, and protecting innocents.
Burying your head is not the answer.

This guy is truly a remarkable man, really a hero.

 

[zz912]

Hard to believe he was taking that much flack, and that he was considered an agitator by so many.

I think we become “collectively” embarrassed when scandals break out. Understandable, but certainly not at the expense of victims, removing the offenders, and protecting innocents.
Burying your head is not the answer.

This guy is truly a remarkable man, really a hero.

It would probably be good for him to let the public know who in the diocese was opposing him. Because it would be good to know who wants to keep protecting evil like this.

 

[on_the_hill]

Hard to believe he was taking that much flack, and that he was considered an agitator by so many.

I think we become “collectively” embarrassed when scandals break out. Understandable, but certainly not at the expense of victims, removing the offenders, and protecting innocents.
Burying your head is not the answer.

This guy is truly a remarkable man, really a hero.

Altoona is a stone’s throw from State College, which is where the whole Jerry Sandusky thing happened. Claims had been lodged with local law enforcement and yet…

 

[johnnykins]

Here’s my question, though: you’re right that these crimes are the fault of those who committed them. But the ‘mess’ … isn’t that due to a lack of prosecution?

No…the mess is due to the criminal, evil actions and inaction of the priests, bishops, etc. Trying to change the issue does not change that horrific fact.

Isn’t this really an indictment of the law enforcement and legal communities involved?

You mean the police, prosecutors and politicians who would not oppose the bishop who controlled their fates? You mean those Catholics in those positions who thought first to white-wash HMC rather than serve the law or their community…or children? Yes, they bear blame…BUT the criminals and evil-doers who perpetrated these horrific acts, used their political and religious power and influence to pervert the law and criminal justice system stand in first place. Perhaps, even Catholics who way too often ascribe a sort of aura and deference to the clergy bear blame as they were led like sheep in voting for the Bishop’s darlings…

If they knew – and yet did nothing – toward whom should our ire be turned?

First and Foremost TURN your IRE to the criminals and evil doers; then, yes, turn your ire to those feckless policemen, prosecutors, etc. - especially those Catholics among them; then turn your ire toward the laity who allowed themselves to be led as mindless, thoughtless sheep giving civil power to the hierarchy who used it soooo despicably.

BUT, whatever you do, don’t even dare to whitewash those criminals, those perverts, those “shepherds” who failed again and again and again ad nauseum and offer the red herring of others playing their part as a way to do it.

Man up.

 

[Gorgias]

You mean the police, prosecutors and politicians who would not oppose the bishop who controlled their fates?

Right. Cause the district attorney’s office is led by a bishop; cause the chief of police is a bishop. C’mon, now… there’s plenty of guilt to go around. Crime? The fault of the criminal. Lack of prosecution? The fault of those charged to prosecute.

the criminals and evil-doers who perpetrated these horrific acts, used their political and religious power and influence to pervert the law and criminal justice system stand in first place.

Is there evidence that some “used their political and religious power and influence to pervert the criminal justice system”? Or maybe, just that they didn’t have the guts to – what was it that you wrote to me? ‘man up’? – and do the right thing?

BUT, whatever you do, don’t even dare to whitewash those criminals, those perverts, those “shepherds” who failed again and again and again ad nauseum

Who’s doing that?

Man up.

Puh-leeze.

 

[johnnykins]

Right. Cause the district attorney’s office is led by a bishop; cause the chief of police is a bishop. C’mon, now… there’s plenty of guilt to go around. Crime? The fault of the criminal. Lack of prosecution? The fault of those charged to prosecute.

Guilt belongs with the criminals…which too many Catholics keep trying to palm off on others…The papers and reports talk about the Chancellor boasting how he controlled the politicians. No Sir, the guilt is with those who perpetrated these acts - and if you can’t see that you are a major part of the problem.

Is there evidence that some “used their political and religious power and influence to pervert the criminal justice system”? Or maybe, just that they didn’t have the guts to – what was it that you wrote to me? ‘man up’? – and do the right thing?

Again a red herring…focus n the despicable priests and bishops who did these things and covered them up. Stop trying to shift blame. Have some measure of integrity. As for evidence, look at the papers which clearly explain the influence of the diocese in preventing the proper investigation and actions. It’s but another condemnation of the diocese.

Who’s doing that?

You are, and people like you, whenever you try to shift blame and obscure the real evil doers here.