4,000 Eggs And Embryos Destroyed When Freezer Failed

[CaptainPrudeman]

I hope. I hope they also take legal action accordingly. 4000 people, lost in the blink of an eye… sounds like mass murder.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

Eternal rest grant unto them, oh Lord…

 

[Maximilian75]

The double standard of the media is absurd in cases like this…

If these embryos were in a mother’s womb, they would be “clumps of cells” and thereby worthless…
But, since parents cared about these unborn children, they’re gonna get a lawsuit. Absurd.

 

[End_Timer]

Since God knows that freezer will fail, might’n He refrain from
carrying out ensoulment there ?
I doubt any “person” died over this

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Doesn’t matter. A legal precedent must be established that embryos are protected. I also believe that ensoulment happens at conception.

 

[Cruciferi]

Can’t say that I’m surprised. Sooner or later something would occur that would lead to the embryos thawing. It’s an unfortunate consequence of this unethical practice.

 

[BoyGenius]

Ohio Fertility Clinic Says 4,000 Eggs And Embryos Destroyed When Freezer Failed

The hospital system said its investigation suggested that the problems may have been caused by human error, mechanical failure or both. “We failed our fertility clinic patients,” said its CEO.

Horribly sad that these completely helpless lives were lost

Will take the time to pray.

Lord Jesus, Mother Mary. It’s horrible what this has constituted, and what has been done. And so did the Ninevites do their sins. And all the same. Dark horrible desires. Destroying life. To put and place this life never to grow. Each human being brought into a state, not being loved. But being stored. They are unwanted, and discarded if they do not last. Oh human beings, you are there. And yet you are discarded. I am so sad. I cry. I am sorry for my sake a part of a selfish culture. Please, you who were discarded, please have mercy on us. We’re not able to stop this mess. And I am a sinner, whom like Saint Peter am weak when up against the face of danger.

Our Lady, please send Holy Rosaries in the way to these people who seek, operate, and work this way. Please, send them Roses, Show them how they are loved. That they may then see though they may feel insignificantly how they are loved, as the small precious human being, who are being stored there. Please help us not to discard, but to do something that is right. Not justifying what we’ve done. But help is. If God, Your Only Son by birth, Who bore our sins on the Cross. Who did not yield to sin, temptation, and death. But fought against it. Let Him renew with this vow of simple charity, to win it. To win life for these children. These unborn human beings put into a horrible frozen storage. And those who have just been discarded. Their lives ruined and destroyed. Oh how sad. It is nothing but a near molecular Nazi concentration camp. Oh it is horrible. Very horrible.

Please Jesus, is there something You can do? Something that does not justify what was/is done. But something to save these bodies of these lives? They are so precious to you. Help us who do not see how precious they are before Your Father’s eyes, to see, to love, and not treat them this way. Help us to do what is right. And help us to do the holy thing, loving, charitable thing. Not treating them this way. Please help us with Your aide and assistance.

 

[Pup7]

As a woman who cannot have children - not even by IVF - I seriously doubt those embryos and eggs were viewed as “discarded” by the potential parents. They were not unwanted. They were clearly wanted. IVF is expensive, and regardless of what we think of the practice, there were men and women who viewed the whole process as their last and only hope of having a child of their own. Some likely paid out of pocket as much as $20,000 (it’s easier to pay out of pocket for IVF than for most average Americans to adopt a baby in this country - trust me, these are things I know all too well) for the HOPE of a baby.

Don’t say they were unwanted, no matter what any of us think of the practice. That’s unfair to those who had every hope they had pinned on the procedure - and potentially their very last dollar.

Pray for the parents, pray for the unborn. But don’t say they were unwanted. Judge the sin, not the sinner.

And no, I never underwent IVF. I am not a candidate.

 

[BoyGenius]

As a woman who cannot have children - not even by IVF - I seriously doubt those embryos and eggs were viewed as “discarded” by the potential parents. They were not unwanted. They were clearly wanted. IVF is expensive, and regardless of what we think of the practice, there were men and women who viewed the whole process as their last and only hope of having a child of their own. Some likely paid out of pocket as much as $20,000 (it’s easier to pay out of pocket for IVF than for most average Americans to adopt a baby in this country - trust me, these are things I know all too well) for the HOPE of a baby.

Don’t say they were unwanted, no matter what any of us think of the practice. That’s unfair to those who had every hope they had pinned on the procedure - and potentially their very last dollar.

Part I Response:
Sort of like having a child in foster care for adoption?

First, I will have to draw back and look more closely. The embryological structure and development of human life, but in a stasis, leaves me to believe that they are stored there. Not as a human being should. But as one might store a book on a shelf.

Second, I may have lack of qualifying terms, to come to terms of what this mess people have gotten into/have created (the mess of storing people into freezers.) Meaning if there are or is a much more adequate term than discard. But for now, since they had to discard these lives (as the article says “destroyed.”) That is all I am left with. There is no other adequate answer. For even if we ponder that what the person’s gave those human lives formed up just to the point of embryological form for. That these are chosen to be put into stasis, makes me cringe. For even if people may be well meaning, it does not nonetheless mean it does not serve/illustrate a disordered way to use a human being. It just doesn’t seem right. And, since they have to be destroyed when a freezer fails, it’s saddening. The life of those people are destroyed (discarded.) In truth, these little lives ought to be buried, and a sorrowful Funeral Rite in Penance.

Third, people can have children, and give them up for adoption. People afraid of attachment to the child after they are born? Then it’s like saying they don’t want the child to be fully born, because they cannot do away with the child. But, put that child’s life in a freezer, in stasis, and then someone can have them. It’s imparting a detachment to the human embryo. So limits or lessens the person’s attachment to the human child before they are born. It’s for someone’s own sentiments. And I think that is a very wayward and dangerous way to go. For by posing the child’s life to limit to the degree of embryological form, and thus stopped for the moment to no longer grow, because of one’s own sentiments and attachments to be lessened, is disgraceful. You just don’t use human life based on the sentimental attachments of an individual, just by limiting the person in their development and growth. It’s honestly sick.

 

[BoyGenius]

As a woman who cannot have children - not even by IVF - I seriously doubt those embryos and eggs were viewed as “discarded” by the potential parents. They were not unwanted. They were clearly wanted. IVF is expensive, and regardless of what we think of the practice, there were men and women who viewed the whole process as their last and only hope of having a child of their own. Some likely paid out of pocket as much as $20,000 (it’s easier to pay out of pocket for IVF than for most average Americans to adopt a baby in this country - trust me, these are things I know all too well) for the HOPE of a baby.

Don’t say they were unwanted, no matter what any of us think of the practice. That’s unfair to those who had every hope they had pinned on the procedure - and potentially their very last dollar.

Pray for the parents, pray for the unborn. But don’t say they were unwanted. Judge the sin, not the sinner.

And no, I never underwent IVF. I am not a candidate.

Part II Response:

Now, I understand the view not to judge someone as a sinner, but rather the sin. But even so, all sin has culpability. For Jesus even said: Father, forgive them, they know not what they do. He is still judging what they are doing. They are the culpable people who put Him to death. He states it clearly that they are ignorant of the wrongs they are doing. He is judging. But out of love and mercy. In truth, it is sick and disgraceful to posit human life in a way, in a freezer like that. It’s not right. It’s wrong. What people might amount to believe about themselves, and why they are doing that - no matter how well intentioned they are. No less the well intentioned Pharisee’s who wanted to show the law and commandments by putting Christ to death. Calling Christ Blasphemous. Yet, He wasn’t. But truthful. And that is why they killed Him. Likewise, storing human beings in the form of embryological structure/form in a freezer, or anywhere, wherefore it’s not for that person to proceed and grow until they are planted in someone’s womb, no less serves/renders the purpose of having a place to store one’s book, on a bookshelf.

I therefore cannot submit to that. Reason is it’s a human person, and not a thing. But a life, which should continue and grow, not to wait for a person’s sentiment’s whether the child should grow in their womb or not.

 

[Pup7]

It’s not “sentiments”.

It’s the financial ability. It’s dealing with medications and appointments.

You know nothing about what most of these couples go through. I’m going to guess you have never once attempted to adopt a baby. Do you have any idea how difficult it is? How much it costs? How long you wait, only to be told no?

Do you know how hard it is to foster a child when you’re in the military (which is my situation)? I do. All of it.

Do not say they were unwanted. I can assure you - having known women who HAVE had successful IVF, they were not.

Judge the sin. You have no right to judge the sinner.

 

[BoyGenius]

You know nothing about what most of these couples go through. I’m going to guess you have never once attempted to adopt a baby. Do you have any idea how difficult it is? How much it costs? How long you wait, only to be told no?

But it is through the lens of faith I adopt. That, sure, I have not gone through that particularly. But, I have been through my rough difficulties and trauma’s in life. And I still do. The answer of “no” from God. Or just by seeing what I ask and pray for, doesn’t happen. So that’s a cross I bear.

For people who suffer with the trial of not being able to have a child. Or, with adoption. I think we forget, God is in control. He lends us some moment of difficulty for reflection. Where we can go to Him. To Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament. To work and listen to Him. For even Mary said to the servants at the Wedding Feast in Cana: do all that He tells you.

It’s a struggle. And it hurts. People want to be parents. People want to love and laugh with a child. And the cost’s of adoption make it seem much harder. Especially with more scrutiny. But all of them can be offered to God.

Perhaps it is an interesting note that Abraham’s wife, Sarah was barren. Though God promised him a son through Sarah, Abraham took matters in his own hands. And slept with Hagar, the Egyptian slave. Then Ishmael was born. The sentiment’s of Sarah were harsh. And Hagar even held it above her. So Hagar had to be separated. Which God so commanded Abraham to do.

Hagar was crying, in the desert. No water for the child. God allowed that moment of suffering in her heart, since her attachment to Ishmael was to hold it over Sarah. The child was not being held out of love, and respect as a son of Abraham. Rather, Hagar lorded it over Sarah. Then, later, when God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. That then was God working on getting Abraham to trust Him. For Abraham took matters in his own hands, when to use Hagar as a sort of surrogate, in a way.

With IVF, and adoption, people have their crosses no doubt, to bear. But, God works on our hearts. He does not justify IVF as He didn’t justify Abraham taking matters in his own hands, and procuring a child in a relationship outside of His Covenant. God did not hate Ishmael, Hagar, Sarah, or Abraham, nor Iscaac. But our hearts are full of concupiscent desire. And our attachments to doing things ourselves, stands in the way of God’s love. We do not let Him act. We do not trust Him. So we use IVF to do the thing that we do not trust God to do. We want God to come down to our terms of science and reason. We do not want miracles to actually happen.

 

[Pup7]

No one is justifying IVF. But I don’t judge the parents. They have suffered losses in this as much as anyone has. This has taken their last dollar, their last hope, their last prayer for a child as far as they are concerned.

Whatever judgment they may have is not on me, and I will pray for them as sincerely as the unborn.

The costs of adoption don’t make it “seem” anything but impossible. Legal adoption of an infant costs about $40k. Don’t talk to me about seeming. You have no idea. You’ve never been rejected - you’re not told why. You’re just arbitrarily told you’re unfit, and you’ve wiped out your savings in the attempt. It’s not my cross to bear - it’s life. I don’t blame God. I blame the system that gives kids to people who shut them in basements and abuse them for their entire life. That’s not God’s fault. Please don’t lecture me about missed opportunities or unanswered prayers.

They were not unwanted. And it’s not my place to condemn anyone for their decisions. That’s God’s job.

 

[dochawk]

I’m not a lawyer, but doubt it would be wrongful death. It could maybe swim as some sort of destruction of property case.

For these purposes, the Common Law has always recognized the child as a person. I think there was a case a couple of years ago about the loss of a frozen child, and I think compensation was awarded, but I’m not certain.

This should be “4,000 Eggs and Children” to ge more accurate.

Completely aside from the unnatural nature of conception is the bigger problem is the way this is done, and that most of those children were doomed from the start: for one child, ten are conceived, one tries to be born, and the rest will be slaughtered.

hawk, esq.

 

[BoyGenius]

The costs of adoption don’t make it “seem” anything but impossible. Legal adoption of an infant costs about $40k. . You’re just arbitrarily told you’re unfit, and you’ve wiped out your savings in the attempt. It’s not my cross to bear - it’s life.

People (i.e. men and women) put their hopes, dreams, and desires to having a child. Their heart is in the right place, openness to life. But with much difficulty. Money, finances, rules, legal documents, etc. It’s an uphill battle. And, I imagine, it is particularly so for barren women like Sarah and Elizabeth.

But, is it possible to put our full trust in God? In Jesus? With Mary, in the Sacraments? Could we just pray for people? Can we offer it up to God? Since this is the time of Lent coming to its’ conclusion to Easter, can we take a moment, not only look at our suffering, but to give it to Jesus, Who suffered intensely on the Cross?

God could be calling people to do something else. If they cannot be parents at that time. Is Our Lord calling people to another vocation? For even if they are married. Could they visit sick children in hospitals? Maybe God is calling them to a spirit of Mission and Evangelization. All it takes is the time to start in prayer. Going to Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament is a good start, I think.

Whether I understand the pains, struggles, and circumstances, or not. He does.

People can look for God’s call in the most difficult of circumstances. And that is not a bad way to start.

As for judging people who place the embryological state of a human being’s life in a freezer (I get the necessity for preservation.) But, it’s still wrong. And yes, as I mentioned, people are well meaning. That however is still wrong. And with adoption being so much more difficult. And, again, I hear the pain of finances. Unfortunately we live in a world where money served and worshipped, rather than meant to serve. Sadly, people have set it up this way. Children may/will never be adopted by good wholesome people because of it.

But taking time aside, God allows for certain struggles and suffering to call our attention to something A Mission.

Many of the saints did not live cozy and comfortable lives. Many did not: Saint Paul, Saint Francis Xavier, Saint Francis of Assissi, Saint Bernadette, Saint Maria Goretti, and the countless Martyrs of the Church, like Saint Maximillian Kolbe. The Saints, rather listened to Christ in the Sacraments, and followed through on a Mission.

Saint Padre Pio had comfort, but the wounds in his hands were represent the stigmata of Christ’s nails deepened into Padre Pio’s hands. The man suffered. He turned, as a priest could, into the best/brightest Confessional priest.

But calling out all these people is not to put down people who struggle wanting to have children, but can’t. And even so, with the above article.

Perhaps, maybe, someone is called to take these little human beings, and give them not only the proper burial Rites. But as well as one with sorrow and Penance, rather than being discarded.

 

[Pup7]

The last thing someone with fertility issues wants to hear - regardless of religious affiliation - is how God has a plan. We know that. I know that. I’ve accepted that - for me and mine. And we’re allowed to mourn that His was not ours.

Just as these people are. Judge the sin. Not the sinner.

They were not unwanted. How many, how much, and how long is not for any of us to say when it comes to those people who just saw something come to an end. Judge the process, judge the availability, judge the technology and maybe even those who carry it out (but I think that’s a stretch). Don’t judge the people who saw this as the only way. That’s not fair.

 

[dochawk]

They were not unwanted.

But that is part of the tragedy here: at least 80% of them are unwanted, and will be destroyed at their parents’ orders, at some point after a sibling is born.

 

[BoyGenius]

Don’t judge the people who saw this as the only way. That’s not fair.

I judge just as Jesus saw that the Pharisee’s saw that His Crucifixion was the only way. The Pharisee’s wanted the laws and morals of the commandments to stand firm and tall. They ruled Jesus as Blasphemous before the law and the prophets. Yet, He was truthful.

Sorry to repeat. But it helps with added clarity. And attention.

Even Jonah was called to tell the Ninevites their sins. And, they repented. Did Jonah know the hurts, struggles, and pains of the Ninevites? He didn’t. He was a prophet, whom God called to bring about Penance and Salvation among the Ninevites. And they listened.

The people who give these little precious human beings, may have very good intentions. And the people who are well received to have them, have an openness to life. But, it’s wrong. Even telling them it’s wrong is not wrong, either. It’s a call to Conversion.

Love, Justice, and Mercy will always prevail. I’d say better to go along with them, rather than oppose.

It’s not merciful to store the stasis of human life in a freezer. And those people need to know that. It’s even defensible based on the Golden Rule. Fairly universal one shared by majority of people in the world, for the most part.

it is proveable to people like those on NPR. That the little life, and human treasure, there, is real. A human being. Every intrinsic property of human DNA, not the mother’s, or father’s but a third. And there are many defensible propositions for it. And nonetheless ask those people, would they liked to be stored in a freezer? Well meaning, well intentioned, or not. Just because there are hardships and pains, doesn’t mean not to tell them the truth.

The people spat on Jesus, cursed, and swore at Him. Were they not suffering? They were. Many wanted to cause a riot around Christ’s persecution to overthrow the Pontius Pilate. They wanted to cause a revolt to separate from the Roman Empire. Their idea of King was like Saul. They wanted to succeed over the Roman’s. Getting them out. Many who suffered under them. Many who took their suffering, anguish, and anger against Christ, against God.

People who feel there is no other way. No other option, feel this is the only practical way. They have loving hearts. And they want to adopt. But this is the only way they see to it. And though it’s hard, it’s wrong.

Just as Jonah, we can pray, we can warn, tell the people the truth, and willing to suffer as Christ did on the Cross, in telling people the truth.

 

[Pup7]

Not necessarily.

Not every woman has the recommended number of eggs harvested because quite frankly most women can’t afford the fees. This stuff costs bucks. People second mortgage their houses for this in the hopes of having one baby.

Usually three to four are implanted at a time. Usually only one even takes, sometimes two. Each implantation attempt can cost $10K. That’s not covering the $10-15K you’ve paid to even reach one attempt. This isn’t covered by insurance.

If you want to vindicate these losses, push for BETTER adoption laws than the crud that’s on the books now. Because if this country made it easier to adopt the unwanted (why do you think there are international adoptions? That’s sometimes easier than adopting in the US!), and made it less like selling babies to the highest and wealthiest bidder, you’d see less IVF.

I can’t judge these people. I can’t judge a woman who aborts a baby. I can pray for her and I can pray for that baby. But I cannot judge. And I’m not trying to make myself out to be a saint - I’m not. But I can’t judge them. I can disagree, but I can’t judge.

Wanted to edit with another crumb for thought: if there were better adoption laws, I wonder if more women might rethink abortion? It’s a stretch, but maybe not. Maybe if some women thought someone might actually be able to adopt their baby they wouldn’t abort - because a lot of folks do know the adoption laws in the US are ridiculous. Just a thought. Probably a long shot.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Agreed. Nobody but God will ever truly know what drives someone to sin. We are supposed to be the support network for after the fall, the ones who lead them to God so He can mend their broken souls.

4,000 children died. Millions of tears have been shed. The means may have been sinful, but that doesn’t make the lost any less loved. Let us console those who lost their children through the neglect of others.