4 new martyrs, but who cares?

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I am always interested in the stories of new martyrs. Thanks for posting this.

I wish I had their strength of conviction. 😊

I think the stories of new martyrs should have a forum of their own. It is something like a cross between a sacrament and a news item. Very significant interest for Christians of today.
 
Can I ask you Hesychios what is the name of this icon? (It is an icon right?)
I am always interested in the stories of new martyrs. Thanks for posting this.

I wish I had their strength of conviction. 😊

I think the stories of new martyrs should have a forum of their own. It is something like a cross between a sacrament and a news item. Very significant interest for Christians of today.
 
Can I ask you Hesychios what is the name of this icon? (It is an icon right?)
Yes! It is not one of the classic ones everyone would know, it is very new.

It is an icon of the New Martyrs and known and unknown Confessors of Russia, those individuals represented were all killed by the Soviet government. In the background is represented the Cathedral Church of Christ the Saviour in Moscow.

The cathedral itself was completely destroyed and removed by the Soviets regime, which built a modern world-class heated outdoor public swimming pool in it’s place!

http://www.byzantines.net/epiphany/images/saviorruins.jpg

The cathedral has since been rebuilt on the original site, and was the location for the glorification of the New Martyrs. During a ceremony to lay the cathedral’s cornerstone mayor Yuri Luzhkov said ā€œLet the reconstruction of the main cathedral stand as symbolic proof of hundreds of destroyed churches and millions of lost livesā€.

http://ocaphoto.oca.org/filetmp/2004/June/125/Detail/DSC_00177.jpg
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Pray Unto God For Us!*
Glory Be To God For All Things!
 
Posted on 10/14/2005 1:52:15 PM PDT by Pyro7480

Islamic extremists attack Catholics reciting rosary

The attack took place on 11 October in a private house. Armed men broke in and threatened to burn the place down if the prayer went ahead. Fears are rising about further violence against Indonesian believers. …
why do muslims hate us so much?
Sounds like the Salem witch hunts in New England centuries ago; or any other pogrom like those carried out against the Jews accused of taking away business from good Christians, or killing Christian babies for arcane rituals centuries ago; or worst of all Hitler’s evil.

Pogroms of the kinds spoken about happen throughout history. They are evil; they happen. It is up to the world to stop them. That means being informed, truly informed, about what is happening.

Our reading about Islam is usually from the popular press which aims to sell newspapers. It is important to read something more accurately informative - an article in the UK Economist magazine for example, or in the New York Times, to understand in a more balanced way what is happening between factions within Islam, and between Islam and the outside world.

What is happening in Iraq, what is consequent on the actions of suicide bombers, is only the tip of a very large and complex iceberg which is related to politics (Islam is different from Christianity in that it has always been intextricably linked with governance and politics), economics, marginalisation, unemployment and overeducation, wealth in the midst of international poverty, local poverty in the midst of international wealth.

If you were a Muslim, what would your take on it be? Imagine you are a mother wandering around in your street, destroyed by whatever troops; imagine you are a young Palestinian barred from your work in Israel; imagine you are a culturally feudal Afghani warlord just like the aristocracy in Britain in the dark ages and following.

This is a far more complex situation that we can comprehend, most of us. Read, read, read - and something other than the local papers. Or watch BBC UK Hard Talk, something other than CNN. Get a better grip on the issues.

Why do muslims hate us so much? The truth is that they, for the most part, don’t. Certain political factions, young bloods, and those who perceive themselves to have been marginalised do. Otherwise, they are People of the Book like we are. They share our scriptures. They worship the same God.

You will notice in Iraq that when the new government was installed, Iraqis turned against themselves (Kurd, Sunni, Shariah) and more or less away from foreign troops. The internecine battle is more important. Same in Afghanistan: warlords are back in power, virtually ignoring their new national government.

Hardening our stance on Islam does not help in the long run to resolve the current fractures between the two religions. I do not believe we are at the point of having to have another Crusade to quell The Infidel (as was). The situation is entirely different, and far more a product of economics than of religion. Go read, watch, Google - but not your local press.
 
Sounds like the Salem witch hunts in New England centuries ago; or any other pogrom like those carried out against the Jews accused of taking away business from good Christians, or killing Christian babies for arcane rituals centuries ago; or worst of all Hitler’s evil.

Pogroms of the kinds spoken about happen throughout history. They are evil; they happen. It is up to the world to stop them. That means being informed, truly informed, about what is happening.

Our reading about Islam is usually from the popular press which aims to sell newspapers. It is important to read something more accurately informative - an article in the UK Economist magazine for example, or in the New York Times, to understand in a more balanced way what is happening between factions within Islam, and between Islam and the outside world.

What is happening in Iraq, what is consequent on the actions of suicide bombers, is only the tip of a very large and complex iceberg which is related to politics (Islam is different from Christianity in that it has always been intextricably linked with governance and politics), economics, marginalisation, unemployment and overeducation, wealth in the midst of international poverty, local poverty in the midst of international wealth.

If you were a Muslim, what would your take on it be? Imagine you are a mother wandering around in your street, destroyed by whatever troops; imagine you are a young Palestinian barred from your work in Israel; imagine you are a culturally feudal Afghani warlord just like the aristocracy in Britain in the dark ages and following.

This is a far more complex situation that we can comprehend, most of us. Read, read, read - and something other than the local papers. Or watch BBC UK Hard Talk, something other than CNN. Get a better grip on the issues.

Why do muslims hate us so much? The truth is that they, for the most part, don’t. Certain political factions, young bloods, and those who perceive themselves to have been marginalised do. Otherwise, they are People of the Book like we are. They share our scriptures. They worship the same God.

You will notice in Iraq that when the new government was installed, Iraqis turned against themselves (Kurd, Sunni, Shariah) and more or less away from foreign troops. The internecine battle is more important. Same in Afghanistan: warlords are back in power, virtually ignoring their new national government.

Hardening our stance on Islam does not help in the long run to resolve the current fractures between the two religions. I do not believe we are at the point of having to have another Crusade to quell The Infidel (as was). The situation is entirely different, and far more a product of economics than of religion. Go read, watch, Google - but not your local press.
Carol,

This ain’t 1692 and there are no witches on trial. Evil is evil…the intrinsic nature of terrorist acts speak for themselves and cannot be justified by how-ever-many books you read.
If you were a Muslim, what would your take on it be? Imagine you are a mother wandering around in your street, destroyed by whatever troops; imagine you are a young Palestinian barred from your work in Israel; imagine you are a culturally feudal Afghani warlord just like the aristocracy in Britain in the dark ages and following.
Let me ask you a couple of questions:
  • Can you imagine how the muslim women felt as they knelt before their muslim executioners in the Afganistan soccer stadium? They were executed for trivial violations of Islamic law like, not wearing a burka, showing their legs, etc. Check this link and take a good look at what these women suffered:
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    [rawa.org/zarmeena.htm](http://www.rawa.org/zarmeena.htm)
  • Can you imagine how the Isreali mother felt when her child was killed by a Palestinian suicide bomber while eating pizza or riding the bus to school?
  • With the sound of the 21 gun salute still echoing in the background can you imagine the feelings of a soldier’s young wife while burying her husband killed in Afganistan?
The answer … of course you can because you are a normal person and know that suffering crosses all boundries…race, religion, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, age, etc. Suffering comes with terror, war, crime, poverty, disease and calamities of all kinds. That is why I am gobsmacked at your plea that we must ā€˜understand’ these muslim extremists.

Why?

Understanding muslim extremists is not going to change their desire to kill as many infidels as possible and create a world-wide caliphate.

One more thing…can I ask why you are again posting as nerfherder rather than Carol Coombe?

Iowa Mike
 
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