43,000 denomination source

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A denomination has it’s own theology, hierarchy, and/or authority.

The Catholic Church has one hierarchy & authority, hence one denomination.

The Eastern Orthodox has one theology and authority, hence one denomination.

The Oriental Orthodox have one theology one authority, hence one denomination.

The mainline protestant churches have several different theologies, hierarchies, & authorities.

A Baptist Conference has a loose authority, as belonging to the conferences, so you can make the argument that they each conference is one denomination.

The non-denominational churches and non-conference affiliated Baptist churches pretty much all have their own individual hierarchy & authority per building and sometimes their own unique theology. So they are single church denominations.

It really comes down to authority. For each different ultimate human authority (whether a person, council, synod, conference, etc); each authority equals a different denomination.
 
phil19034 said:
A denomination has it’s own theology, hierarchy, and/or authority.

The Catholic Church has one hierarchy & authority, hence one denomination.

The Eastern Orthodox has one theology and authority, hence one denomination.

The Oriental Orthodox have one theology one authority, hence one denomination.

The mainline protestant churches have several different theologies, hierarchies, & authorities.

A Baptist Conference has a loose authority, as belonging to the conferences, so you can make the argument that they each conference is one denomination.

The non-denominational churches and non-conference affiliated Baptist churches pretty much all have their own individual hierarchy & authority per building and sometimes their own unique theology. So they are single church denominations.

It really comes down to authority. For each different ultimate human authority (whether a person, council, synod, conference, etc); each authority equals a different denomination.
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Egg-zactly.

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Tomdstone said:
It is just not true that there are 43000 religious denominations.
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I certainly won’t disagree with you. I also don’t think the numbers really matter all that much. The Underlying premise is what maters! Weather there is 2, 100, 10000 or 43000. It amounts to the same issue. That issue is one of authority and interpretation. Sola Scriptura has created thousands of popes. Now you just have to figure out which one has the authority from GOD!

Cheers!👍
 
jttierney1 said:
Does anyone have a source to the claim of 43,000 denominations? I remember viewing a protestant source that stated something near that but can’t seem to find it. Any help would be appreciated. I’ve also heard the numbers range from 30,000 to 40,000.
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yes it is taken from Barrett’s “World Christian Encyclopedia”
jmm.org.au/articles/19106.htm is another take other than PhilVaz. or this one is the original rebuttal, lazyboysreststop.org/apol44.htm
 
I finally was able to cut down my work hours.

I went out of town to take an st inservice for my work and also attend my daughter’s craft class. Nice little vacation. Her mother in law is wonderful…so many times I catch myself calling her my sister in law.

She is a devout Christian…and also really enjoys Joyce Meyers and Kenneth Copeland. She is really into watching your words because they could come back to bite you so if you complain of an ache or pain or much of anything else you are giving the enemy power.

I have had alot of fatigue and aches and pains…and some other difficulties…and so when I start to say something about it…I am immediately interrupted and re directed to this phrsae of Scripture or some faith healer…and am getting used to it…and just was humble when she came over to pray over me in front of my daughter for being confused…

She is also part of the movement that ‘religion destroys faith in God’.
And she winced first time in my house because I have a statue of Mary from WWII times my uncle gave family. But she is getting better now in understanding.

Anyway…after class, she told me that her friends from various churches around town are seeing just how fragmented they are. She mentioned how my daughter and son in law go to their church, her husband to another (mainline), and she hers…and then I go to Mass.

We all get into our cars and go out in different directions.

So she said they are all being drawn to the Heart of Jesus! I was so elated about that…but she also said how her friend, a former Catholic, and some others went to a Lutheran Church and how they were reciting this creed, and other rituals…and they all decided the Lutherans did not have Christ.

I then said I had attended a Lutheran church for almost a year, and I experienced the Lord with them…they have different concept of communion…but they had the Lord and they lifted up those in need in their public prayers and that we are not to judge the outward appearances of others…her husband heard this, shook his head and walked out.

I affirmed her in drawing close to the Heart of Christ…and told her we have had devotion to the Sacred Heart for some time…and that there are may be 34,000 derivatives of Christianity in our country…Christianity the greatest voting block, but the weakest because we are so fragmented…but she also immediately blocked me from telling her anymore about the devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus that came out in the 1700’s…

It is like she cannot conceive of anything of the Catholic Church and in spite of it…there are those of us who are ‘true Christians’…which I know I am not there yet…either…

So anyway…I am going to send her a little picture of the Sacred Heart, the specialness of Friday’s…of First Fridays, the beautiful Litany to the Sacred Heart…and the promises of this devotion.

I pray more and more to the Sacred Heart of Jesus to heal these thousands and thousands of capillary like fragments of faith…that our faith is about the Lord, the Living Cornerstone.
 
ProdigalSun said:
I certainly won’t disagree with you. I also don’t think the numbers really matter all that much. The Underlying premise is what maters! Weather there is 2, 100, 10000 or 43000. It amounts to the same issue. That issue is one of authority and interpretation. Sola Scriptura has created thousands of popes. Now you just have to figure out which one has the authority from GOD!

Cheers!👍
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Thank God Catholics do not have to figure out which one has the authority from God. Jesus gave His Catholic Church that Authority when He founded it while He was still here on earth and it has been with us for over 2,.000 years. Can anyone else make that claim??? How old is your denomination and who founded it?? God Bless, Memaw
 
Tomdstone said:
See:
lazyboysreststop.org/apol44.htm
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Greetings Tom,
This artical states…
That levels the playing field significantly. Whatever charge of “doctrinal chaos” Roman Catholic apologists wish to level against Protestantism may be leveled with equal force - and perhaps even greater force - against the doctrinal chaos of Roman Catholicism.
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Can you help the folks reading here what this “doctrinal chaos” the author is talking about within Catholicism? And while you are at it can you point to the place in the article where he defines or even alludes to the communion of these so called catholic denominations under the bishop of Rome? Seems like he is grossly misleading you and his readers by glossing over this important piece of information.🤷

Peace!!!
 
adf417 said:
Greetings Tom,
This artical states…

Can you help the folks reading here what this “doctrinal chaos” the author is talking about within Catholicism? And while you are at it can you point to the place in the article where he defines or even alludes to the communion of these so called catholic denominations under the bishop of Rome? Seems like he is grossly misleading you and his readers by glossing over this important piece of information.🤷

Peace!!!
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Right. This is one the reasons why the number of 43000 denominations is misleading. In arriving at this number, the claim is that there are 242 different Catholic denominations. Since this is not true, then I don’t believe that the original claim has credibility.
 
Tomdstone said:
Right. This is one the reasons why the number of 43000 denominations is misleading. In arriving at this number, the claim is that there are 242 different Catholic denominations. Since this is not true, then I don’t believe that the original claim has credibility.
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So what is the correct number?

I will use your number, provided you have a valid and reliable source.

And it includes this church:

 
PRmerger said:
So what is the correct number?
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It is going to depend on how you define denominations. If one Christian group has a different belief from another group, would that constitute two different denominations, or could you have varying beliefs within one denomination?
 
Tomdstone said:
If one religious group has a different belief than another group, would that constitute two different denominations or can you have varying beliefs within one denomination?
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If they share the same hierarchy, no.

If they have different hierarchies, yes.

So what’s the correct number of denominations?

I will be happy to use it, as long as I find your source valid and reliable, and it counts this church:

http://newyorkfood.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c58bb53ef019b0028cd5a970d-250wi
 
Tomdstone said:
Right. This is one the reasons why the number of 43000 denominations is misleading. In arriving at this number, the claim is that there are 242 different Catholic denominations. Since this is not true, then I don’t believe that the original claim has credibility.
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I can agree the claim looses credibility but probably for differing reasons as it never addresses or defines what is meant by “in communion with” or “not in communion with” from pov’s of each communion. But as PR has asked a few times now, what is the correct number?

Peace!!!
 
I think it strange 4 cars at the beach house all took off to 4 different churches.

I am now pushing every Catholic home not only have a bible but a Catholic catechism.

I met one fellow online a while back…who is protestant. He is now reading the catechism to find out what we truly believe, how systematic it is…I would advise people to start at the first doctrine and work your way up to see how everything falls into place…and is most coherent…and beautiful. This fellow is also seeing the misrepresentation going on regarding our faith in his church.

That is a real issue with me…and I did mention to my ‘sister in law’…I think it sinful people deliberately misrepresent our faith.

So the prayer for unity is a most serious need and it was the prayer Our Lord prayed before His Passion.
 
KathleenGee said:
I think it strange 4 cars at the beach house all took off to 4 different churches.

I am now pushing every Catholic home not only have a bible but a Catholic catechism.

I met one fellow online a while back…who is protestant. He is now reading the catechism to find out what we truly believe, how systematic it is…I would advise people to start at the first doctrine and work your way up to see how everything falls into place…and is most coherent…and beautiful. This fellow is also seeing the misrepresentation going on regarding our faith in his church.

That is a real issue with me…and I did mention to my ‘sister in law’…I think it sinful people deliberately misrepresent our faith.

So the prayer for unity is a most serious need and it was the prayer Our Lord prayed before His Passion.
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When I get into a conversation with a non-Catholic about what Catholics believe, I always ask them if they believe in the 8th Commandment. That usually stops it right there. God Bless, Memaw
 
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