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as St Faustina said, even the slightest fault of ours must be purged. What seems slight and small to us is NOT to God… and that’s probably why so few make it and find that narrow road that leads to etneral life… the one Jesus said not many find (St Mt 7:13, 21)People rationalize the things they do wrong… and therefore begin to see no wrong in them… and then when they have blinded themselves to those wrongs, its so much easier to do that with the next wrong they do… and so on and so on until… well, until they turn into virtual demons… I think a lot of people I know or have been around are at tht stage… That may sound extreme… & you may not agree… but … well, people who are sold out to the devil don’t go around LOOKING like demons (whtever they may look like)… but of course, they wouldn’t… stands to reason, because they want to get by in this world so they smile and act like they are good people when they are not… So… goodness is relative… People think such people as… well, say Billy Graham… are “good” people… and for all i know he is… **He certainly has done good things… but i can’t help but wonder why he has not at least investigated the Catholic Church by now… **I think he’s 93 yrs old or something… seems strange that someone like him hasn’t done that… someone who is into Jesus and the Word… just some thoughts, not trying to say anything bad about B Graham… i generally like the guy… and he’s brought a lot of people to Christ… The only problem is, have those poeple STAYED with Jesus? i never had any staying power, myself, until i went back to the Catholic Church…
Maybe he did investigate and then he bumped into you or me (or someone of our problematic personalities). After all, for me at least, you come across as an obnoxious self-righteous Pharisee. Of course, I probably come across as a bitter angry sometimes-despairing selfish obsessive-compulsive.

See, when I read your posts, you show little reason why I should love Christ (or anyone else for that matter). Your discussions of Hell may engender fear and despair, but not love. Who here agrees with me? On another thread, I think you complained that others mistreat you and/or dislike you, well…if you act in real life how you act here, it would be a struggle for me not to want to smack you…a lot. Something tells me that, just as my anger and OCD issues predate my coming to faith, your personality defects (i.e. pride, a morose nature, etc.) probably predate your faith. I could be wrong, it’s just a supposition on my part.

Again, based on this fear of Hell theology that Distracted seems to spread, I see very little reason to love or even give a flying flip about God or anyone else.
 
I am a little stronger than confused.
Catholic “visions”

But hang on a priest in our parish says its really rare that any one does not get into heaven.

Our pastoral associate who is a nun says Buddhists are going to heaven because they are good with the second commandment.

(pbwh)
How does this priest know, has he been there? Where is his evidence, I’ve never read anything to support this notion.

Jesus actually addressed this " the gate is narrow and the road is hard that leads to life and there are few who find it".

Few people even find the gate and road, let alone persevere on it.
 
Make an appointment with the Priest outside of Confession. Confession is NOT a counseling session (although some Priests may provide in-depth counsel to Penitents, Confession is not meant to be a counseling/Spiritual Direction) session.

EDIT: Also, remember that one never knows how many other people may enter the Confession line while you’re in there. I think I can remember times where I went into the Confessional and there were very few people around and I came out and there was a bit of a line).
A few days ago i went to confession, i was the only person in line. So i went in 10 minutes after confession started. Now this priest likes to talk quite a bit (which is good in one sense because he has a lot of wisdom) So when i finished 10 minutes later, I walked out and there were 12 people in the queue, a few of which gave me dirty looks.

Moral of the story: get to confession on time, and dont dont blame the cool penitant who has been in there for 10 minutes. Blame the chatty priest.
 
A few days ago i went to confession, i was the only person in line. So i went in 10 minutes after confession started. Now this priest likes to talk quite a bit (which is good in one sense because he has a lot of wisdom) So when i finished 10 minutes later, I walked out and there were 12 people in the queue, a few of which gave me dirty looks.

Moral of the story: get to confession on time, and dont dont blame the cool penitant who has been in there for 10 minutes. Blame the chatty priest.
I am not saying it is always the Penitent’s fault when you have situations where someone is in the Confessional for a long time and the line is backing up, but the Penitent can do their part an know what Confession IS and IS NOT. It IS NOT supposed to be a counseling session. The Penitent cannot control what the Priest but if the Penitent has questions/concerns they can ask the Priest for an appointment.
 
How does this priest know, has he been there? Where is his evidence, I’ve never read anything to support this notion.

Jesus actually addressed this " the gate is narrow and the road is hard that leads to life and there are few who find it".

Few people even find the gate and road, let alone persevere on it.
He believes it from the church teaching on ignorance, i am with you the books tell us lots are called and few are chosen.

My own self is in real danger, I still have fear of G-d or my faults before him.

This Priest and nun are very much authority of the parish. Its not my place to speak against them from my understanding of Catholic ways.
But with love and some strange sense of being pushed forward I challenge them openly.

I love them and those that listen to them.

I often say i am the most blessed man my life is easy, but writing this its not easy, I am tiered of being in a parish that is so blazay or what the word is.

Bless you
 
The Penitent cannot control what the Priest but if the Penitent has questions/concerns they can ask the Priest for an appointment.
I have been guilty of using the box for a chat, may G-d forgive me.
One of my two witnesses from my awakening told me to do this.
In reflection it may have been ok if we got 12 people in a month we would be busy.
Maybe the priest needed the company (that was a joke).

Bless you all, i appreciate the guidance you offer here
 
If this is the average, what chance has a hot tempered jerk like me have of going to Heaven? 😦
By ourselves - none at all, but with God, all things are possible…

But I would suggest maybe working on your temper…😃

Peace
Jame
 
“But I noticed one thing: that most of the souls there are those who disbelieved that there is a hell.” Diary of St. Faustina
 
scrupulosity beats Hell by a good country mile…
I’m sure anything beats hell. Of its nature, it would.

But St. Therese of Lisieux didn’t regard scrupulosity too highly. Read her and you’ll know why.

She also said that everybody in hell is a volunteer; knowing full well at the moment of final decision what it meant. Kind of hard to picture anyone doing that, but she considered hell to be a state in which one is eternally wrapped up in oneself; worshipping oneself while knowing all the while how futile that really is. Maybe not quite so hard to picture people opting for that when you think about it that way.
 
I’m sure anything beats hell. Of its nature, it would.

But St. Therese of Lisieux didn’t regard scrupulosity too highly. Read her and you’ll know why.

She also said that everybody in hell is a volunteer; knowing full well at the moment of final decision what it meant. Kind of hard to picture anyone doing that, but she considered hell to be a state in which one is eternally wrapped up in oneself; worshipping oneself while knowing all the while how futile that really is. Maybe not quite so hard to picture people opting for that when you think about it that way.
i have read her and am re-reading parts of her Diary…

i hope you don’t imply i regard scrupulosity highly…?

but frankly i think there are FEW people in this day & age who are guilty of it… or any age…with most it is the exact opposite…
 
i have read her and am re-reading parts of her Diary…

i hope you don’t imply i regard scrupulosity highly…?

but frankly i think there are FEW people in this day & age who are guilty of it… or any age…with most it is the exact opposite…
Maybe so, but you see a few on here now and then. And, too, I think there is an element of that in “getting saved” the way so many protestants think they’ve accomplished. “Being saved” seems to me a sort of “off ramp” from personal moral responsibility and might be a relief valve from scrupulosity.
 
Maybe so, but you see a few on here now and then. And, too, I think there is an element of that in “getting saved” the way so many protestants think they’ve accomplished. “Being saved” seems to me a sort of “off ramp” from personal moral responsibility and might be a relief valve from scrupulosity.
that’s assuming Protestants are guity of such a thing?? but then again, maybe they are… there are the non-C religions that say no dancing, no drinking…

suddenly i feel like Emily Latella… Never mind… :o
 
If the average really is 5/33,000, then why would God give St. Faustina the message of Divine Mercy?

I remind you, My daughter, that as often as you hear the clock strike the third hour, immerse yourself completely in My mercy, adoring and glorifying it; invoke its omnipotence for the whole world, and particularly for poor sinners; for at that moment mercy was opened wide for every soul. In this hour you can obtain everything for yourself and for others for the asking; it was the hour of grace for the whole world - mercy triumphed over justice… (1572)

If so few people go to Heaven, is mercy still triumphing over justice?

I know that Christ said that we must enter through the narrow gate, but my priest said He meant that the narrow gate is the ways that aren’t of this world (for example, media pressure). To enter through the narrow gate we must ignore what is seen as normal (such as saying ‘oh my God!’ or trying to justify contraception.) He didn’t mean narrow in the sense that not many people make it.
I see what you are saying, but notice how Jesus was talking about those who trust in His mercy… those who are repentant and turn to Him. If a person does this, yes mercy triumphs over justice… because according to justice, they should go to hell, but God pardons them because they turn to Him with trust.

However, how many actually do this? There are many who reject God… we can’t have mercy if we reject mercy. In that way, I don’t think that the Divine Mercy message goes against the idea that many are not saved. I wish I wasn’t so, I wish everyone went to Heaven. But this is because of free will.

If we turn to God with trust, we will be shown mercy, that is a promise from Him. It’s all up to us really. God is willing to save us.
I’m sure anything beats hell. Of its nature, it would.

But St. Therese of Lisieux didn’t regard scrupulosity too highly. Read her and you’ll know why.

She also said that everybody in hell is a volunteer; knowing full well at the moment of final decision what it meant. Kind of hard to picture anyone doing that, but she considered hell to be a state in which one is eternally wrapped up in oneself; worshipping oneself while knowing all the while how futile that really is. Maybe not quite so hard to picture people opting for that when you think about it that way.
I agree with St Therese…
 
This is one of those WOW threads. Just say the numbers are wrong by 100 times. Then only 500 out of 33,000, not very good odds.

Guess we know why our Blessed Mother has appeared asking us to pray and change our lives to be closer to Jesus.

Guess we know why Jesus provided the Divine Mercy Chaplet.

You have my attention. Thanks for posting.
 
i have read her and am re-reading parts of her Diary…

i hope you don’t imply i regard scrupulosity highly…?

but frankly i think there are FEW people in this day & age who are guilty of it… or any age…with most it is the exact opposite…
Nope…If you did you wouldn’t regard first degree murder as justified.
 
This is one of those WOW threads. Just say the numbers are wrong by 100 times. Then only 500 out of 33,000, not very good odds.

Guess we know why our Blessed Mother has appeared asking us to pray and change our lives to be closer to Jesus.

Guess we know why Jesus provided the Divine Mercy Chaplet.

You have my attention. Thanks for posting.
Let’s see…your chance are: 0.015%. Given that many try and fail…why bother trying if you believe this bull?
 
If God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that all who believe in Him may have eternal life…what the hell did he create man for to send 99.985 percent to eternal damnation. Not a god I believe in. Perhaps some of elitists here take pleasure in their misguided…ummmm…ummmm deception. Who is the great deceiver anyway? 🙂
 
cathdoki

I think you’re misunderstanding hell…

God doesn’t WANT people to go to hell, God made people for Heaven…but they CHOOSE hell with their sins

if God were to admit an unrepentant sinner into Heaven, do you think the sinner would enjoy it? it would be torment for them… actually it would be a lot like hell. They would be surrounded by God but would want to hide, run away. God is holiness and there is no darkness in Him, anything evil can’t be united to Him, but its very nature. That’s why hell exists, and it’s locked from the inside, not from the outside… the souls there don’t WANT to repent. Love and repentance must be chosen through free will to even be valid.

Here’s a quote about good and evil from a book by an Eastern Orthodox author, but the understanding is the same as the Catholic teaching, I think:

"One afternoon at the beginning of Holy Week, having made a stop in Thessaloniki, I was by myself in our home there, when, suddenly, my surroundings vanished. There were no images to be seen, sounds to be heard, or objects to be touched. My five senses ceased functioning. It was as though the light switch had been flicked and the room plunged into total darkness.

My mind turned its full attention to a spiritual realm that it found utterly riveting and captivating. In one direction, I saw a soft but intense light - brilliant yet gentle. In the other direction, I saw a thick, cavernous darkness. Initially, I turned my attention towards the awesome, yet fearful, darkness. It made my flesh crawl, but I was overcome by curiosity, the desire to understand what it was. My mind advanced towards the darkness, and I began to sense the magnitude of its negation. The deeper I went, the greater this negation became, and the thicker the darkness. It had a vast power and, if I dare put it this way, a certain grandeur. It represented a negative perspective on reality, unhesitatingly extending into reality as depth, even as the light stretched infinitely into reality as height. On one side, there was immense love; on the other, immense hatred. The light was overflowing with unconditional altruism, while the darkness pulled away in utter self-centeredness.

Though I couldn’t see into the darkness, I could feel the presence of souls in it, leaping about and shrieking with insane, wicked laughter as they were pulled deeper and deeper into the ocean of darkness, until the sound of their voices disappeared altogether. Frightened by this savage madness, I headed towards the light, seeking its protection. Just reaching its outskirts, I felt the relief of having been rescued from a grave danger.

Although I didn’t advance very far at all into the darkness, I was able to feel the depths of its evil ocean. I could understand the very essence of the enticing power of sin to tempt, as well as its laughable powerlessness, utter dependence, and shadowy nonexistence. The darkness, I saw, is fearsome when it has won you over, but it is absurd and feeble when you reject it - it cannot defeat even a small child if he does not fall on his own. In the same way, I didn’t advance far into the light - only, so to speak, skating its edge - but even there I felt confident and comforted by a fullness of life, peace, joy, and knowledge. The light loved me greatly in spite of my unworthiness and granted me its gifts, gifts I never dreamed existed.

At this point, I realized that the light created the world and every living being. The existential space in which each person dwells is itself a creation fashioned by the light, which also fills and permeates these spaces. One being decided to stay outside of the existential space created by the light, thus creating a sort of space for itself, though only by denying the light, turning from it, driving it away. The darkness has no existence of its own, but only in that it denies the ever-existing and sovereign light. That is to say, the existence of the darkness would have been impossible without the existence of the light; though the light had no need of the darkness for existence, for its existence is self-sufficient. The light respected the free decision of its creation to reject it, and so kept its distance. In this way, a dark existential space made its appearance - the darkness, in this sense, became a reality.

The darkness resulted from the inclination of a conscious being, called satan, who chose such a form of existence though he had no reason to. And this denial made the darkness a reality. Although this act of denial may have resembled God’s act of creation, it was not creation, but an imitation of creation performed in reverse. That is, the devil tried to behave like God, but, since he did not have the ability to create on his own, he was only capable of denying God’s creation, energies, light, and grace. He pulled away from the very borders of reality and made non-existence a way of being, thus “creating” death and darkness. For, until that time, there was neither death nor darkness, but al things were filled with light and life.

Just as the light’s love wishes to unite all things, being the source of existence and creation, so the hatred of the darkness wants to divide all things, being the source of nonexistence and destruction. Just as the light extends out into the infinite beyond, so the darkness seems to extend into its infinite beyond. Just as there is a grandeur about the simple, yet infinite light of God, with all His attributes and energies, so there is a certain grandeur about the blunt, yet apparently infinite darkness of the devil, with all his deep-rooted and ferocious self-destructiveness, full of a stubborn and manic rage."
  • “The Gurus, the Young Man, and Elder Paisios” by Dionysios Farasiotis
 
cathdoki

I think you’re misunderstanding hell…
According to these elitists, there is NO salvation outside the Catholic Church. Your Eastern Orthodox author is misguided according to these people. Only they can go to heaven. Only the chosen few elitists on this forum. Take the time to figure out who they are. But when it comes to them, you can’t use other Christian literature or authors. They are heretics worthy of nothing other than hell. Do you think I’m kidding? Check it out.
 
I am not saying it is always the Penitent’s fault when you have situations where someone is in the Confessional for a long time and the line is backing up, but the Penitent can do their part an know what Confession IS and IS NOT. It IS NOT supposed to be a counseling session. The Penitent cannot control what the Priest but if the Penitent has questions/concerns they can ask the Priest for an appointment.
You’re right about an appointment. I remember once being on the other end, lining up for 20 minutes to see this same priest, and missing out. I was pretty angry. When I confronted him, he grabbed me by the arm and dragged me out of the church. I was surprised by the nerve of the man, I’m a about foot taller than him, but whatta ya gonna do, wrestle him to the ground? He’s a priest.
 
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