500 Scientists Write U.N.: ‘There Is No Climate Emergency’

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OK.

Now what is your take on the lefts (specifically AOC but others have echoed it) twelve year thingy?
Viewing Climate change as a partisan tribal issue is the zenith of irrational.
Depends upon how you define “climate change”.

If you define it with a political dimension, a tax increase, increased Governance, Global governance, etc. admixed in, I disagree.

But back to the 12 year doomsday scenario . . .
 
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12 year doomsday scenario?
I say the problem is imminent. I look at time with imminent doomsday potential from the perspective of how long to meaningfully address the potential.
 
Maximus1 . . .
I say the problem is imminent . . .
Well “imminent” means a lot of things to a lot of people.

Do you think the world as we know it will end because of global warming within twelve years?


Would you spend 15 million of your own dollars on a home on Martha’s Vineyard if you thought the home would be underwater any day or year now?
 
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I never considered 12 years at all. 12 years is a marketing tool for the Fossil fuel industry to snake charm people who exist to fight their battle.
 
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12 years is a marketing tool for the Fossil fuel industry to snake charm people who exist to fight their battle.
So is it 5 years then?

14 months?

2 weeks?

When will life as we know it irreversibly end due to global warming?

Can a tax increase “rescue the planet” here?

(Those Obamas are very unfortunate. You knew and they didn’t. Their house will soon be part of a new Atlantis! Right?)
 
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OTOH, we know within 10 years how long it will take for life to change beyond imagining and repair: within ten years of the implementation of plans like AOC’s “how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing” [Saikat Chakrabarti] Green New Deal or Greta Thunberg’s 15%/year reduction of fossil fuels plan for the rich nations alone
 
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Where Obama lives won’t matter to my kids and their kids. It won’t help my kids or their kids that a footnote in history was that you backed the wrong horse.
The people locked outside of Noah’s ark were laughing at his weather forecast and his building an ark inland. ( Borrowing from the story)
Nobody recalls their wonderful scoff when it was sunny. In fact as the rain water rose, it didn’t much matter that they realized how stupid it was to scoff. History recalls that…actually, history washed those climate deniers away. Doesn’t much matter what they said. " They killed us" became obvious as waters rose. They died with their tax money. Money wasn’t boyant enough to keep them afloat.
 
But when will this all be over?

You implied 12 years is too long. It is from oil companies to make us complacent.

So? What is it?

6 months?

2 years?

11 years?
 
The Chinese Government apparently have no credible climate scientists.
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Climate doomsday predictions prove to be ‘fake news’ every time. Why does mainstream peddle it? World News
Theo520. Would somebody PLEASE call up the Chinese scientists and warn them that they are wasting their money with building these man-made military islands! [An airstrip, structures and buildings are seen in this file photo of China’s man-made Subi Reef in the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea. A US naval commander said Beijing has built seven military bases in the disputed waterway. Photo: AP][An airstrip, structures and buildings are seen in this file photo of China’s man-made Subi Ree…
Can you believe it?

They are building islands! Military islands!

Don’t those guys even know the basics? Are they UNAWARE that those islands are as good as sucked into the Pacific any week now??)
 
Industrialized society was always bound to have an expense.
Love canal, acid rain, and so many others. Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash. Leave others holding the bag. This is an unpleasantry of our economy and system. We bail out banks because they were to big to fail. Always residue that mitigates the claim of profit. It isn’t desired. Just goes with the chosen territory.
 
I never ever considered a number. We are dealing in probability not certainty. I thought you were a science guy
 
Maximus1 . . . .
We bail out banks because they were to big to fail.
Call for their break-up via antitrust laws then. (I’ll join you.)

How many weeks do we have left regarding AOC’s altogether wrong reassuring prediction?

(Apparently 12 years is too many.)

Ignore those last two lines of mine.

Just saw your above post.
I never ever considered a number.
Well many have. And they want money from me over this.

By the way. Have you sent any money of yours to the IPCC yet to save the planet? (You don’t need law to voluntarily do that.)
 
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Breakup or Bankruptsy! Changes nothing. It is a temporary state in a system governed by the same principles as fossil fuel companies.
Today it is," I get this shot out of the ground and burn it before it is worthless."
Rockafeller once faced the same( Ford provided a happy ending") when Edison, Tesla and JP threatened his dream that we would all read by the standard oil lamp forever. In fact like the Koch’s of today, he financed a pretty effective boogyman identity to electricity. Would have kept us in the semi dark if not for JPs money.
How much your 500 scientists resemble old Rocky’s attack on electricity. Lol
 
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Maximus1 . . .
How much your 500 scientists resemble old Rocky’s attack on electricity. Lol
I don’t know. They don’t tell anyone. They are afraid your guys antifa-type attacks (either literally or figuratively) resemble old Rocky’s attack on his opponents in the ring. Lol

(And your guys wonder WHY they don’t want to give your guys more of their money and more power over them!)
 
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The timeline is simple. The longer we take to address the issue the more vulnerable we become. What timeline besides that do you need?
 
Do you think Michael Mann has ever won a Nobel Prize?
No, of course he hasn’t won a Nobel Prize. He contributed to the work of an organisation that won the Nobel Prize, but no individual person from that organisation is a Nobel laureate. Michael Mann’s university webpage stated: “He shared the Nobel Peace Prize with other IPCC authors in 2007.” The biography was presumably written by somebody other than himself personally anyway. As soon as the error was highlighted it was amended. I know that climate change denialists are a bit obsessed with Michael Mann, but I don’t think it was anybody’s intention to fraudulently claim that he was personally a Nobel laureate. Lord Monckton of Brenchley, on the other hand, had no involvement whatsoever with the IPCC’s work that resulted in the award of the Nobel Peace Prize. In fact, he has tried to undermine the IPCC’s work. His claim to be a Nobel laureate wasn’t a careless error or even an exaggeration, it was an outright lie.
They are mere ad hominems and irrelevancies.
Not really. He is a liar, a fraud, and a bigot. Why would I trust the climate science claims of a man who pretends to have invented a cure for two thirds of known diseases? He is not a scientist of any kind whatsoever. And I stand by my point that only very poor scientists would choose someone like Lord Monckton to be their spokesman. A serious scientist would want to have nothing at all to do with him.
He obviously has had some successes to get where he is (yet you haven’t mentioned any).
Well, let’s see. Lord Monckton’s grandfather was the Right Honourable Walter, Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, GCVO, KCMG, MC, PC, QC, who served as Attorney General of the Duchy of Cornwall, Deputy Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs, director general of the Ministry of Information, Member of Parliament, Solicitor General, Minister of Labour and National Service, Minister of Defence, Paymaster-General, chairman of the Midland Bank and the Iraq Petroleum Company, chancellor of the University of Sussex, standing counsel to the University of Oxford, chancellor of the Diocese of Southwell, etc.

His father was Major General the Right Honourable Gilbert, Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, CB, OBE, MC, DL, Grand Officer of the Order of Leopold II of Belgium, Commander of the Order of the Crown of Belgium, recipient of three Catholic knighthoods, Conservative and later crossbench member of the House of Lords, director of public relations at the War Office, chief of staff at the headquarters of the British Army of the Rhine, colonel of the 9th/12th Royal Lancers and honorary colonel of the Kent and Sharpshooters Yeomanry Squadron, president of the Institute of Heraldic and Genealogical Studies, president of the Anglo-Belgian Union, director of the Anglo-Portuguese Bank, Burberry, and Ransomes, Sims & Jefferies, etc.

That probably explains a lot.
 
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