500 Years of Protestantism: 38 Things Martin Luther Wrote

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I do like the quote from scary goat in the comments to that article “I would have thought Church unity with Protestants is easy…they left…they can come back…sorted.”
I just wish ScaryGoat would tell Pope Francis that – it would save a lot of time and energy that’s currently being wasted. 😃

But seriously, Catholics have just as much right to put garbage on the internet as anyone else.
 
I haven’t read any Congar. I’m a big fan of Rahner (well, he can do good theology, but I’m not sure he can write; much like the other big Karl!) and von Balthasar.
All 3 contemporaries, right? The point about Yves Congar is that his ecumenical writings were once restricted until John 23 invited this theologian to help craft the 2nd Vatican Council. Congar’s “True and False Reform in the Church” is a foundation statement of Vatican 2.
 
I haven’t read any Congar. I’m a big fan of Rahner (well, he can do good theology, but I’m not sure he can write; much like the other big Karl!) and von Balthasar.
Not familiar with Rahner. What do you consider a good theology work of his?
 
I just wish ScaryGoat would tell Pope Francis that – it would save a lot of time and energy that’s currently being wasted. 😃

But seriously, Catholics have just as much right to put garbage on the internet as anyone else.
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Not familiar with Rahner. What do you consider a good theology work of his?
His book on the Trinity. He is faithful to orthodox trinitarianism, but suggests that in the Latin Church since the Middle Ages there has been an unhealthy dichotomy between the Unity and Trinity of God, and argues that we ought to approach God as He reveals Himself in the economy. That explanation doesn’t really do justice to him. I have an edition with an introduction by La Cugna which I’d thoroughly recommend.
 
Contrary to what some Catholics exclaim, the Roman Catholic church is eons ahead of these dated prejudices and only reveals, all the more, how much progress has been attained. Is it possible for faithful Catholics to agree with their very own “Holy Father”?
 
Contrary to what some Catholics exclaim, the Roman Catholic church is eons ahead of these dated prejudices and only reveals, all the more, how much progress has been attained. Is it possible for faithful Catholics to agree with their very own “Holy Father”?
To what degree is Lutheranism impacted today by Luther’s personal interpretation of the gospel?
 
To what degree is Lutheranism impacted today by Luther’s personal interpretation of the gospel?
How do you interpret both Pope Benedict and now Pope Francis’ outreach to Lutheranism? Is it a threat similar to David L Gray musing about the Pope Francis being “confusing”. Catholics need to be informed not clinging to medieval understanding. I have many Catholic relatives who view what is written CAF as painful and misguided.
 
How do you interpret both Pope Benedict and now Pope Francis’ outreach to Lutheranism? Is it a threat similar to David L Gray musing about the Pope Francis being “confusing”. Catholics need to be informed not clinging to medieval understanding. I have many Catholic relatives who view what is written CAF as painful and misguided.
  1. Outreach to all christian faiths is to be applauded.
  2. God is immutable. The truth therefore does not change. What was truth in medieval times, is truth today.
 
  1. Outreach to all christian faiths is to be applauded.
  2. God is immutable. The truth therefore does not change. What was truth in medieval times, is truth today.
If you truly believe that then you do not recognize the Vatican of 2013.
 
If you truly believe that then you do not recognize the Vatican of 2013.
Sorry, but I find that illogical, in the sense that your therefore conclusion does not derive from the if statement.

Although … Lutherans need to be informed not clinging to medieval understanding.
 
If you truly believe that then you do not recognize the Vatican of 2013.
No offense, but I don’t think you thought that one through. I can’t imagine the pope saying “Blank was true in medieval times, but isn’t truth today.” (Well, unless you mean something like “It’s raining outside is true today but it wasn’t true yesterday.” :D)
 
How do you interpret both Pope Benedict and now Pope Francis’ outreach to Lutheranism? Is it a threat similar to David L Gray musing about the Pope Francis being “confusing”. Catholics need to be informed not clinging to medieval understanding. I have many Catholic relatives who view what is written CAF as painful and misguided.
I don’t know who David L. Gray is, but you might check out what one of your fellow Lutherans had to say on this subject. (That link may have been posted on this forum before, I don’t remember.)
 
No offense, but I don’t think you thought that one through. I can’t imagine the pope saying “Blank was true in medieval times, but isn’t truth today.” (Well, unless you mean something like “It’s raining outside is true today but it wasn’t true yesterday.” :D)
Oh of course not. And I admire Benedict XVI most for his resistance to the dictatorship of relativism. But what I think he means is that Gregory VII would claim that some things are true of the Roman See that Francis would not, etc.
 
Here is an article I put together that itemizes some of the Martin Luther’s most ridiculous comments. If you know a Protestant, please share this with them. It’s important that we know where we come from.
Thanks 👍
I have come across this before. Has anyone bothered to do the research on these quotes and read them in their context? Also, I have yet to find this actual book by Trishreden Wiemer. This has come up in conversation too and the person quoted from THIS EXACT LIST. (If anyone does find this book volume, please post a link)

One should be careful when they look people or concepts up on the internet. If you do not do the research, you make yourself out to be somewhat of a fool at times.

Luther was a hot-tempered man who spoke quickly and then had to backpedal. Peter the Apostle did that quite a bit too.
 
Thanks so much for all of the feedback. This compilation has received much more interest from protestors than I thought it would. All of this stuff is already online, so I admit I wasn’t careful be as rigorous about as I would have been for a grad school school. LOL

Nevertheless, over the weekend I did take care to read all of the critiques from blogs and message boards that linked to it, and I added an addendum at the bottom in response to that. True to form, it seems even Protestants don’t all agree on the quality of these quotes, but I posted what they do seem to agree on in the addendum.

Again, I appreciate everyone’s feedback. I AM NOT AN APOLOGIST. I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE. Who I am and what I do I spell out clearly on my about page and about us page.

I’m going to continue the series on the 500 Years of Protestantism, and I hope if you find time you stop by for more helpful comments and critiques. 👍
 
I have come across this before. Has anyone bothered to do the research on these quotes and read them in their context? Also, I have yet to find this actual book by Trishreden Wiemer. This has come up in conversation too and the person quoted from THIS EXACT LIST. (If anyone does find this book volume, please post a link)
Yes, I bothered. The majority of the quotes posted are direct cut-and-pastes from a web page entitled, “Luther, Exposing the Myth.” I did the work of looking up the quotes: A Review of Luther, Exposing the Myth.

As to the book by “Trishreden Wiemer,” this isn’t a person.

“Tischreden” is the German word for Luther’s Table Talk. The Table Talk is a lengthy collection of second hand statements Luther is purported to have said. That is, it isn’t something Luther wrote. Some of the utterances are more reliable than others. At times there isn’t enough context to really know why Luther said what he said (if indeed he said it). A good Reformation scholar (either Protestant or Catholic), knows not to use this as a primary source for an historical study.

“Weimer” Refers to the largest collection of Luther’s writing in German.
 
How do you interpret both Pope Benedict and now Pope Francis’ outreach to Lutheranism? Is it a threat similar to David L Gray musing about the Pope Francis being “confusing”. Catholics need to be informed not clinging to medieval understanding. I have many Catholic relatives who view what is written CAF as painful and misguided.
I hope he reaches out to all our separated brethren and brings all of you safely home again.

But you didn’t answer my question:

To what degree is Lutheranism impacted today by Luther’s personal interpretation of the gospel?
 
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