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You stated the Orthodox are a true church. However, the Orthodox teach truths contrary to Catholic dogma, and Catholic dogma is contrary to Orthodox dogma. If they teach mutually exclusive truth, then how could they both be true churches?You’ve stumped me here. I do not understand the question.
The hole is getting deeper.
Lutherans claim to be sola scripturists. Now, I do not want to set up a straw man, so I’ll concede that the definition of sola scriptura has to be carefully defined, etc. (That in and of itself is a problem created since 1517, but we can ignore that for now.)
What you’ve just acknowledged is that you and Jon or you and steido would have difficulty agreeing upon which of your two “churches” would have jurisdiction over a some dispute that you might get into. You would not recognize the authority of the LCMS to decide the matter, and they would not be comfortable being judged by a tribunal of ELDoNA elders. Yet, you both claim to be Lutherans and you both look to the Confessions guide you in your understanding of Sacred Scripture.
We have no teaching authority that is over another Lutheran body that is true. In other words, decisions of the LCMS will not affect the WELS. That doesn’t mean the teaching authority within its own spheres does not have any authority, however. I do not need the WELS to have authority over my church body in order to submit to my own church’s decision. Why would I seek the authority of the LCMS or WELS? I’m not under their discipline.You have Sacred Scripture and you have a Tradition, but you have no teaching authority which can adjudicate in the case of a disagreement.
Conversely, you have mutually exclusive authorities within Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Does that negate the authority of Rome?
Sure, and the first step would be to resolve it between ourselves.Jon seems like a pretty nice guy, but I think he would concede that he is capable of sinning against other people. Could it be that you might sin against him?
You shouldn’t. You should accept the interpretation of the teaching authority of the Church which Jesus invested in Peter and his successors.
Where can I find the infallible definition of Matt 18?That’s what Catholics have been trying to say for 500 years.
It has?Of course they have! Which is why we have a LIVING magisterium which can correct them. Your questions suggest that you are starting to see the problem inherent within Protestantism.
